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    1903 vs. Tactical Carbine Course

    Hi all! Here is my first video of the new year, and it's one of my favorites. In this one, I am pitting my trusty '03 Springfield against a modern law enforcement qualification course. The course, and its time limits, were devised with a semi-automatic tactical carbine in mind. To see how the old war horse fares, click on the link below. (Please excuse the fact that I'm not using cast bullets in the video, but I thought some of you still might enjoy it!). Also, be sure to let me know your thoughts after watching it!

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    That was a very good video! Thank you for taking the time to make it. The only thing I noticed was your low ready starting position was quite a bit higher than my idea of low ready.

    Denny

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    Quote Originally Posted by wddodge View Post
    That was a very good video! Thank you for taking the time to make it. The only thing I noticed was your low ready starting position was quite a bit higher than my idea of low ready.

    Denny
    Thank you! I admit I did not employ the "classic" low-ready position. That said, whenever I've actually operated with a tactical carbine, I carry it in a similar manner to the way I shot the '03. Which is to say it is just below my line of sight. If I need to fire, it is very fast to slightly raise the weapon and acquire the target. I'll call it "tactical low ready" (Because, of course putting the word "tactical" in front of anything automatically provides justification regardless of how silly the subject might be!). In any case, I actually did raise the rifle to my line of sight for each stage, if only slightly. So I felt as though I met the requirements of the course.

    Thanks again!
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    Howard,

    Nicely done video. I think with a few runs it would fairly easy to run a 100% score.
    More "This is what happened when I,,,,," and less "What would happen if I,,,,"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hamish View Post
    Howard,

    Nicely done video. I think with a few runs it would fairly easy to run a 100% score.
    Thanks! I was thinking the same thing!

    Howard

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    I enjoyed the video...I really like the M1 and 1903A4 videos too...The Camp Perry vids are great as well...

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    Enjoyed it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrfunk View Post
    Thank you! I admit I did not employ the "classic" low-ready position. That said, whenever I've actually operated with a tactical carbine, I carry it in a similar manner to the way I shot the '03. Which is to say it is just below my line of sight. If I need to fire, it is very fast to slightly raise the weapon and acquire the target. I'll call it "tactical low ready" (Because, of course putting the word "tactical" in front of anything automatically provides justification regardless of how silly the subject might be!). In any case, I actually did raise the rifle to my line of sight for each stage, if only slightly. So I felt as though I met the requirements of the course.

    Thanks again!
    Howard
    Good Evening Howard,

    My idea of low ready comes from handgun training and shooting pistol matches. Low ready to me is the muzzle pointed down at a 45 degree angle. I don't have alot of rifle experience so I learned something there.

    A number of years ago I shot 3 gun matches at some of the local clubs. The rifle stages were dominated by the AR guys with a few AK shooters thrown in. While I have a couple of ARs to play with, I enjoyed using a M1 Garand in the rifle stages. I never won anything but I did move more dirt than the little guns. It's all in the having fun..

    Denny

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    Quote Originally Posted by wddodge View Post
    Good Evening Howard,

    My idea of low ready comes from handgun training and shooting pistol matches. Low ready to me is the muzzle pointed down at a 45 degree angle. I don't have alot of rifle experience so I learned something there.

    A number of years ago I shot 3 gun matches at some of the local clubs. The rifle stages were dominated by the AR guys with a few AK shooters thrown in. While I have a couple of ARs to play with, I enjoyed using a M1 Garand in the rifle stages. I never won anything but I did move more dirt than the little guns. It's all in the having fun..

    Denny
    Hi Denny! No problem at all. A lot of people subscribe to the same idea when it comes to a "low ready" position. The problem is that if you are making your way through a potentially hostile environment, the "traditional low ready" is slower in terms of target acquisition if/when you encounter a threat. I actually employ a similar technique when I'm using a handgun. This is one of the places where sport/match shooting deviates from gun fighting. By the way, Good job driving the M1 in those three gun matches. I'll bet you got some attention when you pulled it out!

    Howard

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    Even with your saved rounds, you still put about 1500 grains more lead through your target than the guy with the mousegun would, so yeah, I agree that the failure drill is probably a little superfluous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigslug View Post
    Even with your saved rounds, you still put about 1500 grains more lead through your target than the guy with the mousegun would, so yeah, I agree that the failure drill is probably a little superfluous.
    Grain for grain, it's still hard to beat the old '06!

    Howard

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    you mean I am just as well armed with my 03 as anybody with a ar. now I don't have to buy an ar. you saved me a lot of money.

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    Howard, you need to do your tactical carbine course with a krag carbine. The Spanish American War’s tactical carbine. They’re way slicker than a ‘03. Enjoyed your video. As to your ‘low ready’, it’s what we use at my cas clubs matches when we start a scenario with the rifle ‘safely pointed downrange.’

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baltimoreed View Post
    Howard, you need to do your tactical carbine course with a krag carbine. The Spanish American War’s tactical carbine. They’re way slicker than a ‘03. Enjoyed your video. As to your ‘low ready’, it’s what we use at my cas clubs matches when we start a scenario with the rifle ‘safely pointed downrange.’
    The Krag carbine would be a great one for this course. Now if I could just get my hands on one!

    Howard

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