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    My understanding is the same as others posted above, that, given a specific type of case and bullet, the internal ballistics of your load depend more on the internal case volume where the powder burns, which changes with COAL, not case length. A longer or shorter case might affect the tension holding the bullet, but it's my guess that it's only a minor factor.

    I'd also guess that using multiple headstamps and brass that varies in the times fired previously would change how the load behaves, not necessarily from differing case lengths but because of different thicknesses in the case heads changing case volume and of work hardening changing sizing and neck tension (is it still called neck tension if the cartridge isn't necked?).

    ETA: I've never checked case length in 9mm, but I do sort by headstamp and times fired for ammo intended for major matches: I find ammo loaded with that brass to have more consistent velocity and to group better.

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    Just yesterday, I checked the length of 30 pieces of 9mm brass. Fifteen of PMC headstamp and fifteen of CCI Blazer. Not much difference between the two brands. Both had variable lengths from .744 to .749, and everything in between. Even though, I sort my brass by headstamps, I'm not about to uniformly trim them.

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    Load shoot repeat😁

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    I have never checked the length of the 9mm's that I buy once fired from police ranges, all the same headstamp.

    I can tell you for a fact that varying the Cartridge OAL in .005 can make tremendous differences in accuracy as long as taper crimp stays constant with the same powder charge and primer.

    It is never a bad idea to take the barrel off the 9mm and use it as a go gauge for your ammo and cases as most of the chambers are cut a tad long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrol & Powder View Post
    I can't remember the last time I even bothered to check the case length of a 9mm casing.
    or any of my pistol cases for that matter.

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    Here is my method ... use an empty 50 round plastic 45 ACP tray that comes with factory ammo. Hold the tray with one hand with holes facing up, then drop CLEAN 9mm brass over the tray with your other hand. Do this over a bucket or shoe box and most brass will fall into the tray head first. Then hold the full tray at eye level and you can easily scan across the case mouths to see if you have any that are long or short and .380s are easily seen this way too. Then look into the brass and pull any stepped or cracked brass out. If you want to sort by head stamp you can flip this tray over into another empty tray to see the head stamps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petrol & Powder View Post
    I can't remember the last time I even bothered to check the case length of a 9mm casing.
    I think I remember, around 1991 when I got my first 9 MM...
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    Quote Originally Posted by igolfat8 View Post
    Here is my method ... use an empty 50 round plastic 45 ACP tray that comes with factory ammo. Hold the tray with one hand with holes facing up, then drop CLEAN 9mm brass over the tray with your other hand. Do this over a bucket or shoe box and most brass will fall into the tray head first. Then hold the full tray at eye level and you can easily scan across the case mouths to see if you have any that are long or short and .380s are easily seen this way too. Then look into the brass and pull any stepped or cracked brass out. If you want to sort by head stamp you can flip this tray over into another empty tray to see the head stamps.
    Haha... I tried for years to describe this method of counting/sorting pistol brass in messages on forums. A few years back I videoed myself sorting/counting 9mm brass and put it on YouTube. Heres a link to my video: https://youtu.be/BpkUnUqMo8U



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    A Pilot "Precise" V5 or V7 pen fits the mouth of a 9mm case perfectly, or just use a bit of dowel to make something to pull them out (I've been counting 9mm brass out today, long story.) Sometimes the darn things fall in head first and I want them all showing head stamps; Fingers are too large to grab 'em easily in the block I'm using so I do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by razorfish View Post
    Haha... I tried for years to describe this method of counting/sorting pistol brass in messages on forums. A few years back I videoed myself sorting/counting 9mm brass and put it on YouTube. Here’s a link to my video: https://youtu.be/BpkUnUqMo8U



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    LOL, Same method I use too fish and thx for sharing your well done video. Only difference is that I sort my brass ahead of time using those slotted plastic trays that fit inside each other over a 5 gallon bucket. It easily sorts 40 from 45 but 380 and 38 super still get mixed into the 9s and require height sorting like you demonstrated. One other thing I do different is when I invert mine to check the head stamps I invert into an empty 45 tray instead of on a small piece of wood which keeps my clumsy hands from knocking a bunch over with shaky hands and tweezers.

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    I also use the white plastic trays to inspect and sort 9 mm brass, but find that after flipping the cases into another white tray to get the head stamps up, they're too deep in the second tray to pull out. It turns out that there are black plastic ammo trays that are those same size as the white ones, but thinner. They need a piece of cardboard fit into the bottom to keep 9mm cases from falling through, but the cases stand up by about a quarter inch, making it much easier to pick out a case for sorting.

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    Hope I'm not hijacking too much, maybe you fellows can help me. Using a 9mm lee loader and Ht coated truncated cone 125 gr flat base boolits. I am shaving some of the coating off when seating the bullets, some don't align perfectly when dropped. Will chamfering the case mouth a bit do or will I need a expander die for lee hand press? Thx.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hogtamer View Post
    Hope I'm not hijacking too much, maybe you fellows can help me. Using a 9mm lee loader and Ht coated truncated cone 125 gr flat base boolits. I am shaving some of the coating off when seating the bullets, some don't align perfectly when dropped. Will chamfering the case mouth a bit do or will I need a expander die for lee hand press? Thx.
    Try chamfering the case mouth a bit, &/or adjust your exp. die down to make just a little larger flare to the case mouth, ( or both) first. Either one might stop the issue.

    If you are not using an expander die with a plug that is oversize for the diameter lead alloy boolits you are seating, you may be also swaging the boolits as well when ya seat them. The NOE plugs in a Lee Univ. Exp. die, or the appropriate M die from Lyman will do the job if ya don't use them already. Usually the "factory dies sets come with Jacketed bullet exp. dies and they are the size of the caliber & not oversize to account for the .001" -.002" cast lead alloy boolits we use to get a good fit in the bbl. to keep from leading/obturation issues. Sometimes you can find a exp. plug that fits your die that is of another caliber but works, like a 38S&W exp. plug(.360") for 38/357M boolits that are .359" or .360", instead of the .358" that normally comes with those factory dies for jacketed bullets at .357, etc.. Being you are talking about a 9mm, perhaps, if you have the same dies & have the 38/357M exp plug, you could maybe try using that to see if it works first. ( Personally, I just bought the NOE plugs & Lee Univ. Exp. dies for almost all my calibers & don't have to worry about which ones are which anymore. Your choice on what ya want to do though...)

    { Funny, I just mentioned the same info in another topic. Coincidence perhaps? Haha. }

    Anyway, that is stuff that I would consider, if I were seeing the same things you mentioned.


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    The only time I remember checking 9mmX19 case length was for my Ruger NM Blackhawk Convertible. And since some one was nice enough to steal the 9mm cylinder off the shooting bench before I got to try it. I haven't felt the need to do it again.
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    Hogtamer, I load HiTek coated 147's sized to .357". One of my favorite boolits shaved badly until I had Lathesmith turn me the equivalent of an M die for my SDB. The factory die, bot,h mine and another Dillon owner, wouldn't expand the case ID over .350". I guess that works for jacketed and for some cast, but it didn't for me.

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    In 10s of 1000s of reloaded 9mm I have never measured nor trimmed a case. As noted, the case really ends up head spacing on the extractor. Semi cases rarely if ever stretch, so load shoot repeat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by igolfat8 View Post
    Here is my method ... use an empty 50 round plastic 45 ACP tray that comes with factory ammo. Hold the tray with one hand with holes facing up, then drop CLEAN 9mm brass over the tray with your other hand. Do this over a bucket or shoe box and most brass will fall into the tray head first. Then hold the full tray at eye level and you can easily scan across the case mouths to see if you have any that are long or short and .380’s are easily seen this way too. Then look into the brass and pull any stepped or cracked brass out. If you want to sort by head stamp you can flip this tray over into another empty tray to see the head stamps.
    Problem with this guesstimate is you assume the plastic tray is uniform?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tazman View Post
    Yet people fire 9mm using a 40S&W slide which has an even larger difference(.030) regularly by using just a different barrel.
    9mm ---.394
    40S&W ---.424
    Para & RIA slides are common for 9mm/40SW/10mm calibers...
    Some shoot 40SW in their 10mm slides so it headspaces either in casemouth per SAAMI or extractor...I wont do the latter that much though

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    Quote Originally Posted by P Flados View Post
    Some 9mm guns will reliably shoot 380s with the case head spacing on the extractor. Some will fire 380s intermittently, some probably wont fire 380s at all.

    The 9mm is intended to head space on the case mouth. If your cases are too short, you are heading in the direction of potential FTFs (depending on your gun).
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    Just curious why would anyone want to shoot 380s out of a 9 mm? That is something I would never do that and I would never recommend that being done. In all my years of shooting I have never heard of anyone suggesting that . How would you have a loaded magazine made for 9 mm with 380s . Neither would I attempt to fire Makarov 9 by18 out of my 9 mm even if I could get them to chamber which you can’t . Well maybe you could but it probably gets stuck in the chamber. I’m certainly not trying to be rude or anything there’s many but no more than me but I have never heard of such a thing .If you could explain the reasoning behind us I would be greatly appreciated thank you.
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    As it happened, I was loading some 9mm and a 380 case slipped into the mix. For whatever reason, I wasn't paying enough attention and that case made it all the way through and got a boolit seated into it.
    I noticed that the boolit was seated farther out of the case than the others and checked it. That is when I realized it was a 380 case.
    I put it in a box with other 9mm ammo in a position so I would know when I put it in the magazine.
    That case fed and fired just like the rest of the ammo in that box. No difference as far as impact point or anything I noticed.
    I would not deliberately try to load 380 cases for 9mm. That said, if you load them to 9mm specs, they will function in the gun.

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