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    obatex, really? who gives a cr@p?

    we all have access to lots of flavors of good, real black powder.

    we doan need no steenkin obewankanobe RSA powder.


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    Quote Originally Posted by rfd View Post
    obatex, really? who gives a cr@p?

    we all have access to lots of flavors of good, real black powder.

    we doan need no steenkin obewankanobe RSA powder.

    TRUE... SO TRUE but... The only reason I brought it up is that, as part of the conversation on 1800s black powder, the opinion that 19th century powder had more energy than modern powder invariably comes up.
    This Obatex has significantly more energy per weight than any other modern black or Curtis & Harvey's 19thC powder.
    Question is... WHY??
    Some special charcoal made from some specific wood with special properties that no one tried before?
    Are they are taking liberties as to what qualifies as a genuine black powder?
    Can the process or ingredient mix they use assist home powder makers in upping the performance of their own powder?
    Questions, questions...

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    i was being a tad facetious ... but in fact is obatex a true, real black powder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rfd View Post
    i was being a tad facetious ... but in fact is obatex a true, real black powder?
    That is a question that has a few of us (or me at least) jangling our brains

    If the answer is yes then the most likely explanation for less density and more energy is the charcoal

    I used to drive past a failed pawlonia plantation twice a year and was urged by Fly (from the powder forum) to get me some of that wood !!

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    we grow paulownia ("pavlovna", named after a russian tsar's consort queen) in the carolina's, i've used it to rout out electric guitar bodies, super lightweight. it's a weed hardwood tree of sorts. grows about 30 FEET per year.

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    I am trying very hard to not get too far down this hole.

    There isn't any charcoal of any kind in this product.
    In a thread on 1800's era gun powder it is out of place.

    What we call black powder has three constituents. The Sannadex product has replaced two of them. (it may go by more than one name - same product) They use sugar (dextrose) and iron oxide (rust). There is no charcoal and no sulfur in it.
    Chill Wills

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chill Wills View Post
    I am trying very hard to not get too far down this hole.

    There isn't any charcoal of any kind in this product.
    In a thread on 1800's era gun powder it is out of place.

    What we call black powder has three constituents. The Sannadex product has replaced two of them. (it may go by more than one name - same product) They use sugar (dextrose) and iron oxide (rust). There is no charcoal and no sulfur in it.

    Why do you persist in that assumption?
    In this article:
    http://www.bpsu.co.za/BPSU_Newsflash...0of%202016.pdf
    the BPSU clearly states that it is, to their satisfaction, a black powder.
    The article also states that Sannadex was never allowed in competition as it did not qualify as a black powder but Obatex does - they are not the same.

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    I actually don't care much about this.
    I doubt either of us will ever see or use this powder unless we are in RSA. I've shot matches in RSA and have known a few people that are on some of the correspondence regarding this powder. I have seen nothing to the effect that there are real BP products being made in RSA.

    This will be my last post on this I hope!

    So, I'll ask you or anyone; Is BP BP if two out of the three components are something completely different?

    I'm fine if you want to call this sub real Black Powder. I'm not the BP police. However, I am very sure the rest of the match community around the world will consider this a sub and treat it as such.

    This whole topic makes little difference in my world. I am happy for the shooters in RSA in that they have access to SOMETHING they can shoot.

    I'm done. Next persons turn.
    Respectfully, Michael Rix
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    if this obatex stuff doesn't have all three recognized real black powder ingredients, it ain't real black powder, as any fool would know. case closed. over and out.

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