Daughter threatened N Seattle, need CC gun advice.

[Conditor22]

The man she lived with for years (who’s been married 5 times before- that should have thrown up a red flag) threatened her several times. Police reports and a restraining order has been filed but they are only paper.
She asked me what gun to get and I said a 380. I read several places that that was a good CC gun.
She is strongly independent and won’t let me buy her one.
My questions are:
1) What is the best CC 380 for the money reliability/accuracy?
2) Names of good FFL in N Seattle
3) Best places to buy a gun in N Seattle that won’t take advantage of a woman
4) Would it be cheaper to buy online and have it shipped to an FFL or buy face to face?
5) A good CC instructor in N Seattle

She plans to carry in her purse

[DougGuy]

Don't saddle her with a 380. She should carry the largest caliber she can load and shoot accurately. There are many 9mm autos no bigger than a 380 and the 9mm is MUCH more effective at stopping a bad guy than the 380. If she can load and shoot a M&P Shield in 45 ACP, or a Kahr Arms CW45 that would be the best choice. These are not hard for a female to use, I bought a M&P Shield 45 ACP for a former gf who is 5'2" and not a body builder and she could handle it fairly well.

[Hickory]

In Washington state semi-auto firearms maybe illegal to possess.

[Kenstone]

The man she lived with for years (who’s been married 5 times before- that should have thrown up a red flag) threatened her several times. Police reports and a restraining order has been filed but they are only paper.
She asked me what gun to get and I said a 380. I read several places that that was a good CC gun.
She is strongly independent and won’t let me buy her one.
My questions are:
1) What is the best CC 380 for the money reliability/accuracy?
2) Names of good FFL in N Seattle
3) Best places to buy a gun in N Seattle that won’t take advantage of a woman
4) Would it be cheaper to buy online and have it shipped to an FFL or buy face to face?
5) A good CC instructor in N Seattle

She plans to carry in her purse

You might get more info on a local forum, join and ask your question here:
https://www.northwestfirearms.com/

[mold maker]

Find a Range with loaners and shoot before deciding. The largest she can safely handle is the ideal. There is only one reason to involve gunfire and the results are all important.

[jmort]

The .380s are smaller than the smallest 9mms
Light .380s can be snappy. Small 9mms can be snappy
Washington concealed weapon permits are processed in approximately 30 days
Long time to wait
ASAP apply for a permit.
Five day waiting period to purchase firearm so no time for dithering
Go to a range that lets you try a number of different firearms
Buy some pepper spray immediately
Get some firearms instruction
Buy appropriate gun ASAP
You can always buy another later as you learn and evolve
Purse carry will require a lot of practice to get quick presentation
Stay in Condition Yellow or Red until the loser finds someone else to destroy
Work on self-esteem issues to avoid losers
Move to Constitutional State - I know.....
If it was my daughter I would pay him a visit

[crankycalico]

if semi autos are a state no-no.

Then a rather heavy duty gun like a snub nosed K frame... 30 ounces of short barreled 38+p good ness.

[jmort]

10 round capacity limit

[725]

All the above is good advice. 380's are light, but better that .22's or .25's. Bigger is better but too big gets left in the purse or glove box after awhile. A good .380 is easy to have in your pocket like a set of keys or lighter. Ruger LCP is a dandy. It's what I carry most of the time and I'm a retired ghetto cop.
Pepper spray should be everywhere for her use. Nightstand, top of the refrigerator, glove box, purse, bathroom medicine cabinet, etc. If it's hard to find in her local, get some hornet spray, easy off oven cleaner, carb cleaner or the like. There are always ramifications when defending yourself and she should be prepared to be scrutinized by local law when she does.
Are there children in the picture? Whatever she does has to take their safety into consideration when setting these options in motion. Tell her not to be shy. If she fears something / anything, call the police. Even if it doesn't pan out as anything dangerous, she has generated a paper trail of attempting to seek police assistance. Should she have to take matters into her own hands, part of her history will include trying to get local PD's to address the threat. She should learn to live with a greater sense of situational awareness.

[jmort]

Stupid new law passed by voters for Semi-autos
60% voted for it.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sour...46279786507099

[Chainsaw.]

Lynnwood gun. A lovely woman owns it and she is a stand up lady. She’ll steer your daughter right and Ill bet give her good advise for training etc as well. I wish I could recallher name.

If she ever needs help, advise, some good pointers Im happy to help get her started on the basics if need be. Ill bring my Wife if it makes her more comfortable, plus shes former LEO.

[jmort]

Get the LCP II if you go in that direction. 10 ounces and Excellent trigger

[starbits]

read this thread

lot of good advice on websites and pepper spray.

Starbits

[JBinMN]

I am not going to suggest any type of firearm. That will have to be a decision that she makes since she is the one who would possibly need to operate it in a stressful situation. Hopefully with a chance to shoot some handguns before making her choice.

{ I will say that although my missus has fired revolvers, pistols, shotguns & rifles and is comfortable with all of them, I bought her a revolver(LCR357) for her self defense purposes, because it is simple to operate, less likely to have any malfunction & will get the job done in a lot of cases, IMO. Not everyone will agree with me, but that is what we decided for "her". Plus it is no one elses **** business. .}

The Pepper sprays at hand & in more than one location is certainly a good idea. I have purchased them for some of the gals in my life before just so they can have at least some protection in areas that do not allow firearms. Heck, I even have one for that.

I would like to mention IF you were not aware of it, that like many states, Washington state has a path for "Emergency" CC permits. You/She can go research more, but here is a link that tells of it:
https://lawcenter.giffords.org/conce...in-washington/

Here is a part of that link:

The chief of police of the municipality or the sheriff of the county where an applicant resides may issue a temporary emergency license for good cause, pending review of an applicant’s background for a concealed pistol license.{Wash. Rev. Code Ann. § 9.41.070(10) } A temporary emergency license, however, does not exempt the holder from any records check requirements, and temporary emergency licenses are easily distinguishable from regular licenses.{Id. Additional application and background check requirements, as well as permit suspension, revocation, or other disqualification information, are detailed under Wash. Rev. Code Ann. §§ 9.41.070 and 9.41.075. }

I recommend that she goes and explains the situation to the local LEO authority that applies to where she lives, & gets the process for an Emergency started Immediately, like Tomorrow, Monday the 31,Dec.2018.

I might offer some other advice in the future...Some "reasonable" advice.

Some I could give are not allowed on this forum, so I will refrain from advocating anything that is not acceptable here. There "are" ways of handling this situation that might not be considered, "reasonable" ones by authorities. I guess you will have to make a decision on whether or not you want to consider those type of actions on your own.


She should have a CCP if she is able to take the responsibility of harming or killing an attacker who is/has been "close" to her at some point. Or one that has not, meaning a stranger. If she is not, then some consideration should be made about that. If one cannot bring themselves to use the firearm against an attacker, then I do not think it is advisable for them to carry. Hesitation to the point of where the attacker gets their hands on the weapon, either thru persuasion or force, will usually not end up all that well for the person who loses control of said weapon. I think you know what I mean. I hope that she has the mindset she will need should the situation to use a weapon should arise...

I wish ya both G'Luck! in this bad situation & hope that it turns out to be not a big deal after all.

[JBinMN]

I thought about it & some things that I don't know if you or she is aware of, but it involves "situational awareness".

Things like making sure that she parks her vehicle in places where she can see if anyone is under her vehicle or any around her. Sometimes that means parking a ways away from the entrance of a store in a parking lot where she can see the vehicle from a bit of a distance and maybe see if anyone is near, or under it then take appropriate precautions such as avoiding the vehicle for some time, having someone else escort her to it, or other such precautions. If she parks in a ramp, or even close to other vehicles, she should at least take the time to observe in anything suspicious might be seen. Examples are a van or other high profile/capacity type vehicle that could contain someone that could jump out or grab her & pull her inside. Or simply do her harm..
Another thing is to observe whether there are occupants in the vehicles next to or nearby that may not be as innocent as they appear.

The same goes for her when she is going home or into work, etc.

Looking inside the vehicle before she gets in, as well as making sure no one she does not know is near her when she is getting into the vehicle, locking all of the doors once inside, is also prudent.

Having another person she can trust with her when in public, preferable an able adult, is a good idea when she is able to arrange it. Keeping trusted adults aware of her plans & her whereabouts at all time is important as well . Letting folks know when she is supposed to be somewhere so that in case she is not there, they can do what they can to find her.

Paying close attention to strange vehicles or people near her home is another good idea. As well, as when she approaches her home, to be aware of any slight things that might indicate that there has been someone attempting to get inside when she is not there, or is there before she is.

Knowing what to do if one of these type of things causes her concern is important as well. Avoidance of the situation she observes is one, calling for help is another, etc.. But , knowing what to do after a possible threat is ID-ed is a BIG part of keeping oneself safe.

There are a lot of similar things that I could explain if they are not known, but I feel as though I would be perhaps, "preaching to the choir" if this "situational awareness" type of stuff is already been covered.

Personally I think that most folks do not do such things like I am suggesting simply since they are so comfortable in their lives & going about their business that they do not see a need, but when a need arises to be more wary of things due to the likely higher probability of a bad situation from one like she is going thru, then a heightened awareness is prudent & one needs to begin to implement behaviors that one might not be used to doing to keep oneself out of an even more difficult or dangerous situation.

One needs to think like what a human "predator" might do to get to its' human prey & what steps need be taken to avoid & deter the predators plans.

This type of thinking is not "paranoid", particularly in this sort of situation. It is simply being smart & concerned with self preservation.

Once again, I wish ya'll the best in overcoming this difficulty.

[Shawlerbrook]

Great advice here all around. As a father of a daughter, I think I would have to have a man to man talk with this fellow and explain to him his future if my daughter even gets a questionable flat tire. He probably is too messed up to heed the advice, but at least he may make me his first target rather than my daughter.

[WILCO]

Great advice here all around. As a father of a daughter, I think I would have to have a man to man talk with this fellow and explain to him his future if my daughter even gets a questionable flat tire. He probably is too messed up to heed the advice, but at least he may make me his first target rather than my daughter.

Boyfriends, lovers and bad husbands don't fear fathers.
If you get involved, make sure you're ready for prison.
Daughters that make bad decisions will continue to do so, even while you're in the clink.

[RU shooter]

Boyfriends, lovers and bad husbands don't fear fathers.
If you get involved, make sure you're ready for prison.
Daughters that make bad decisions will continue to do so, even while you're in the clink.

No they don't but I'd rather be in jail and have my daughter safe .
You do what you have to do to protect your kin especially your daughter

[bob208]

if she is not into guns much. I would reamend a pa 63. it is a Hungarian knock off of the Walther pp. in 9x18. has a little more oomph then the .380. got my wife one with extra mag and holster for $225 with transfer. with the al. frame it is lite to carry. total reliable and small enough for the hide out holsters made for women.

some times I carry it in the summer under a tee shirt.

[mozeppa]

taught my wife to shoot...got her a SP-101 ruger 38/357 petite enough and can pack enough to ruin a bad guys day.

p.s. she has shot plenty ...and i don't mean just bulls eye type targets. one hand , weak hand , from the hip at silhouettes ... 3 yards, 7 yards, 15 and 20.

side note ...she has put all 6 in a 8x10 sheet of paper at 20 yards with my s&w 44 mag. ...but she took time to aim.

all this from a woman who never held a gun til she was 58....she's 65 and now owns 20 hand guns.