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Thread: Just got a 45/70. Any recommendations for 2000fps?

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    Just got a 45/70. Any recommendations for 2000fps?

    Been wanting one and wanting one. Had a Marlin JM 1895 CB 26” fall out of the sky for $750 and jumped. So now I will be casting and reloading for 45/70.

    I’m wanting a nice thump so I can tell it from my 45 Colt Marlins so I was thinking of sending 405gr at around 2000fps. Any opinions here? Will be mainly a 100 yard shooter and won’t be shot too often.

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    Ouch ouch ouch

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    lol *&^^%$# ouch
    Better try something a bit less first

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    That Marlin will kick you into next week with a load like that. Start LOW and work your way up.
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    Congrats on getting a Marlin CB.
    I am shooting one right now.
    You need to check the bore first.
    Get some brass, and powder.
    And we can go from there.
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    you may dislocate your shoulder with that one!

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    Load ONE to that velocity that's within pressure limits and then you can decide if you'd care to proceed any farther,,,,,,,.

    The original .45 Govt. was designed to shoot through a horse from stem to stern.
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    I've a Ruger #1 in 45/70 and factory 300 grain JHP's at 1800 fps is a comfortable load for me. Decided to load some up with RL 7 and that nice comfortable carbine turned into a bucking beast. Last time I tried that one. Since you are wanting a 405 grain bullet would suggest you have a really good butt pad installed. You'll run out of shoulder way before you hit 2000 fps. Frank

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    Most load the 45-70 to those specs once or twice then back to original loadings around 1200 fps. On a light rifle the 405 at even 1500-1600 fps is going to be pretty stout recoil in the lighter rifles. My Sharps, Roller and Brochardt are in the 12-13lb weight range and recoil with a 500-550 grn bullet at 1200 fps takes its toll over a match still. Brass lasts a lot longer at these loadings also.

    I would really recommend starting with the trapdoor level loads and working up from there in this rifle, Its easier to not develop flinch or a scope eyebrow than to get over it.

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    I have a NOE 460-396-RF-AE2 mould that drops at about 380 grain with the cup point. I load that one up with 52 grain of Varget and I get a pretty consistent 1800-1830 fps. This is almost 3000 foot lbs of energy at the muzzle end! But, that load is JUST under my recoil tolerance - my friend said it "kicks like Chuck Norris". Any more recoil and it's not really fun anymore.
    My rifle is the Marlin 1895 with the 22" barrel. My boolits are cast with the NOE mould and my lead is fairly hard, powder coated and gas checked.

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    Go for it, but work up to it. I for one would like to follow your progress. Keep us posted.

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    What mold would be the best for feeding in the 1895 and also a flatter nose for a heck of a punch when it makes contact with the target?

    I researched a 45/70 mold that was popular but isn't made anymore and is now made by Noe....? I can't remember the name

    Edit: Ranch Dog is what I was thinking of
    Last edited by Stopsign32v; 12-27-2018 at 01:07 AM.

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    Varget, 8208 XBR and Benchmark have been my go to powders for all out Marlin 1895 velocity. The lower end to mid loadings do all I need that caliber to do however. I don’t need to dig a hole on the other side of my game animals or paper targets.

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    Yea 2000fps might be 500 or so too high now that I think of it lol

    Will be ringing steel at 100

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stopsign32v View Post
    What mold would be the best for feeding in the 1895 and also a flatter nose for a heck of a punch when it makes contact with the target?

    I researched a 45/70 mold that was popular but isn't made anymore and is now made by Noe....? I can't remember the name

    Edit: Ranch Dog is what I was thinking of
    the full hollow point ones drop around 320 grain. I shoot 56 grain of varget under that one - haven't chrono'd it yet, but it may be in the 2000 fps range... It kicks the same as the bigger boolit. Will have to shoot some of those soon.

    These are them:
    Attachment 232776

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    Quote Originally Posted by 44Blam View Post
    I have a NOE 460-396-RF-AE2 mould that drops at about 380 grain with the cup point. I load that one up with 52 grain of Varget and I get a pretty consistent 1800-1830 fps. This is almost 3000 foot lbs of energy at the muzzle end! But, that load is JUST under my recoil tolerance - my friend said it "kicks like Chuck Norris". Any more recoil and it's not really fun anymore.
    My rifle is the Marlin 1895 with the 22" barrel. My boolits are cast with the NOE mould and my lead is fairly hard, powder coated and gas checked.
    These are the boolits:
    Attachment 232777

    As loaded:
    Attachment 232778

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    I cannot imagine red-lining a JM 45-70.
    I keep mine sedate
    But it seems there is always someone who has no problem with the recoil in that gun. I am not that guy.

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    I would advise to forget using a 405 gr. bullet at 2000 fps in your Marlin 1895. It will rattle your teeth and bruise the heck out of your shoulder. I know from experience. I have that rifle and my hunting load is a 350 gr. bullet, cast or jacket, backed by 43 gr. of IMR-4198 for about 1875 fps. It is a comfortable load to shoot, but I am not recoil sensitive. It is also at 29,000 CUP in pressure and will not create excessive wear on your rifle. I have taken 4 buffalo with the 350 gr. load and all four were one shot kills and only one bullet was ever recovered as the rest was a complete pass though.
    If you plan to use that rifle for only deer or elk hunting, I would even drop down to a 300 gr. bullet at 1800-1900 fps for a flat shooting load that will drop your game animal and be easy on the shoulder.

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    1300 to 1400fps is plenty for a 405 grain bullet, and doable without a gas check. 1700 to 1800fps for a 300 grain bullet is also plenty.
    You just reminded me that I have 200 rounds of 300 grain-2150fps ammo to dismantle. They were the most accurate ammo I have, but I can not tolerate shooting these things anymore. These were loaded for an 1886 winchester takedown rifle,. A heavier rifle than the marlin, but still way too much recoil.

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    IMR 4198 works very well for me for this type of load.

    https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...8_loads_for_45

    Marlin 1895 45-70 22" barrel
    Winchester brass, 2.1" trim
    Bullet Type; Bullet Weight; Bullet Diameter; C.O.L.; Powder Type; Powder Charge; Primer Type; Muzzle Velocity
    Barnes X FN; 250 grains; .458"; 2.540"; IMR 4198; 48.1 grains; CCI 200; 2330 fps
    Barnes Original FP; 300 grains; .458"; 2.540"; IMR 4198; 52.9 grains; CCI 200; 2309 fps
    Nosler Partition; 300 grains; .458"; 2.540"; IMR 4198; 53.8 grains; CCI 200; 2324 fps
    Remington JHP; 300 grains; .458"; 2.540"; IMR 4198; 53.3 grains; CCI 200; 2305 fps
    Hornady RN; 350 grains; .458"; 2.540"; IMR 4198; 47.0 grains; CCI 200; 1995 fps
    Hawk FP; 350 grains; .458"; 2.540"; IMR 4198; 47.5 grains; CCI 200; 1980 fps
    Speer Hot-Cor FN; 350 grains; .458"; 2.540"; IMR 4198; 48.0 grains; CCI 200; 2119 fps
    Barnes Original FP; 400 grains; .458"; 2.540"; IMR 4198; 43.7 grains; CCI 200; 1930 fps
    Speer Flat Nose; 400 grains; .458"; 2.540"; IMR 4198; 46.2 grains; CCI 200; 1977 fps
    Remington JSP; 405 grains; .458"; 2.540"; IMR 4198; 45.1 grains; CCI 200; 1936 fps
    Woodleigh FN; 405 grains; .458"; 2.540"; IMR 4198; 45.0 grains; CCI 200; 1944 fps
    All loads crimped with a Lee Factory Crimp Die.
    Loads are maximum, reduce by 10% and work up carefully.
    Source: http://www.realguns.com/loads/4570.htm

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BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
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