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    This is an interesting article regarding bear defense with handguns.

    https://www.ammoland.com/2018/02/def...#axzz5ENWSnz2i

    Note this quote towards the end:

    "In this compilation of incidents, one was a failure. The .357 magnum was fired three times. The shooter was mauled after the first shot and after the second and third shots. It seems likely the shooter missed all three shots. It is the only bear defense with a pistol, that failed, that we have found.

    One failure out of 35 incidents is better than a 97% success rate for pistol defenses against bears. Using a pistol to defend against bear attacks seems to be a viable option."
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    I know one of the guys that accompanied the shooter on this incident. Certainly an adrenaline rush! This was just last Sep.

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    That article says a lot for having a big gun handy and having a friend along.
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    I will say black bear normally don't drop dead after being shot...and I'm sure Grizzlies have more stamina. They are like chickens or turtles. I watched 13 bear get harvested back in 01'. Only one dropped and never moved out of all of them. It was the one I shot with a swift Scirocco out of my 300 RUM...and I hit it in the shoulder and backbone. The bear weighed 174 lbs field dressed. It's the half mount on the left. The rest dropped from the trees they were shot out of and ran approx up to 40 yards on average before expiring. These were all small bear. The biggest weighed 268 lbs. the big rug was a 7'6" black I shot in Canada with a Rocky Mountain gator 100. Arrow went completely through the bear...broadside heart shot. It went a little over a 150 yards with no blood trail before dropping. The rug on the right was a 7'2" boar. I shot it with a 200 gr partition out of my 300RUM over bait. Broadside lung shot. The bear did a summer salut, got up and ran about 40 yards and let out about 7/9 roars before expiring. When I skinned it the Hyde looked like a bullet sized hole in and out but the ribs looked like there was a coffe can sized hole blown through both the entrance and exit sides. Bear can take a beating before they expire.


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    I shot a lot of meat black bears using my brown bear gun, a 375 H&H with hard cast 375449, and have only ever had one that stayed put even with a perfect heart shot. I have never had to shoot a brown bear. But my buddy Wayne a brown bear guide says, once a client pulls the trigger, you keep shooting till the bear stops moving. I do carry the lee 310 in my 44 mag as I live in thick bear country. I never had to shoot one with a hand gun, but I have pulled it out a time or 2. I consider the handgun a “last resort” as they tend to piss bears off.... once you start, you gotta finish. In thick country like SE Alaska, that is a scary proposition. I have given up the 375 h&h and just use my 308 for “meat bears” properly loaded. If I wander in brownie country, my 12g shotgun with slugs and buck goes with me.

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    Scary stuff. I do think I'd have still tried for a head shot, a good loaded CB ought to poke clean through a griz skull. This happened not too far from where I grew up, and I have spent a good bit of time in that country without any bear problems, save for once. Had a sow with 3 cubs at 10 yards in heavy willows, and all I could think of was that by the time she comes out close enough to see, she'll be on top of us. She growled and squalled and broke enough brush to put the fear of God in me and my wife, man was she mad! I agree with him on how hard it is to walk in thick brush now, I'm still a little gunshy and don't think I'll ever get my wife to go in that stuff again. I had my SBH with 340gr +P+ hard cast GC boolits and at that point I'd have rather had something belt fed, crew served with wheels!
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