Winchester Chambering Problem.

[Kev18]

I dont know a proper way to explain this so I made a video about it.

I guess the cartridge gets stuck on the bottom of the chamber. When I flick the rifle upwards it allows it to go in freely.
This is the only issue I have left with this rifle, I had multiple in the past but all of them have been resolved.

https://youtu.be/ETBzVd_-1-Y

[skeettx]

Youtube did not play it???

[Kev18]

Youtube did not play it???

Edited the link. Thanks!

[DrDucati]

What bullet profile? That is a common hangup. They reloads or factory ammo?

[Kev18]

What bullet profile? That is a common hangup. They reloads or factory ammo?

Flat nose, reloads they are the same as factory ammo. I have original rounds from Winchester.


original factory ammo.

[DrDucati]

Is it hanging up on the case mouth?

[AntiqueSledMan]

Hello Kev18,

I pulled my 92 out of the safe & cycled it, looks like yours should work.
The carrier is raising the nose of the cartridge up to the chamber, like it's supposed to.
That 40-82 is about 2-3/4" long, I've never played with anything that long.
Maybe more crimp will help?

Sorry I can't help, AntiqueSledMan.

[jimb16]

Looks like a crimp issue to me too.

[Kev18]

I am pretty sure the factory ammo does the same thing. And they have a solid crimp. Any advice Im getting helps. Thanks!

[country gent]

Try a little more chamfer on the case mouth and little heavier crimp It looks like the corner of the case mouth is grabbing. With good ligh and a magnifying glass look for burrs dings and raised edges ( after roughly 100 years of use there may be some) that may also be grabbing. Another thing to experiment with is overall length the earlier levers were length sensitive as it also affected timing of the action everything may be right but a slightly to long round may hit before the lifter is to height to short and the lifter may raise slightly to high. You might try a dummy round loaded .015 shorter and see what happens

[osteodoc08]

First of all, that’s a really nice shooter. I love old lever actions. I’d love to hear more about it.

As best as I can tell with the poor lighting, I’d say it’s a combination of 2 things, slightly too long and catching on the case mouth. I agree with the others here. Try a more generous chafer/chamfer and seat a bit deeper. Also, how rough is the bolt face? It also looks like it’s grabbing on the case head and not allowing it to pop up. I’d check those 3 areas.

[Kev18]

First of all, that’s a really nice shooter. I love old lever actions. I’d love to hear more about it.

As best as I can tell with the poor lighting, I’d say it’s a combination of 2 things, slightly too long and catching on the case mouth. I agree with the others here. Try a more generous chafer/chamfer and seat a bit deeper. Also, how rough is the bolt face? It also looks like it’s grabbing on the case head and not allowing it to pop up. I’d check those 3 areas.

It's not to long, I just trimmed all my cases down shorter then they need to be. Maybe crimp could be an issue. Il try. I'm not sure if I tried it in the past, maybe one of the reasons I dont crimp alot is because it caused clambering issues in the first place. When the cartridge gets in the chamber, it sticks out 3/4 inch. I spent two years getting loads for this rifle and getting it to shoot straight. My fix now is to get a .406 bullet and file down the outside diameter of the starline cases. Since they are to thick.
Buffalo arms cartridges drop in just fine, but once I shoot and reload the cases, they do as described above.

And about the bolt face, I'm not sure. It seems to work good? Il take a look and snap after pictures for you guys to see.

If you or anyone wants more info on my rifle and its issues. Look at 1886 chambering issues" in the levergun threads! I got alot of help and most of it applies to all rifles/ calibers.

[Hickok]

Mike a fired case, and then mike one of your reloads around the outside of the neck where the boolit is seated.

Also mike a factory loaded round.

[osteodoc08]

Length should have been specified as OAL not trim length

[Kev18]

Length should have been specified as OAL not trim length

I know, but my OAL Is shorter. If they are to long, they wont go up on the elevator ramp.

[Kev18]

Mike a fired case, and then mike one of your reloads around the outside of the neck where the boolit is seated.

Also mike a factory loaded round.

I did that before and solved that chambering problem. Now its just that I would like to have a smooth chamber entry. Atleast I would like to work the lever quickly.

[Kev18]

Here are some more pictures.

Chamber:


Close-up of chamber:


Chamber W/ Elevator ramp up:


Bolt face:


Where the cartridge gets stuck:


Bolt view of cartridge in stuck position:


I tried all the original Winchester rounds I had and they all got stuck. I feel like the lip on the bottom of the camber might be stopping them?
When the cartridges are stuck I only need to lift up the rear of them and they slide in just fine. Its almost as if they are to angled upwards?

[AntiqueSledMan]

Hello Kev18,

Is that a blank cartridge shown in the pictures, or maybe a shot cartridge?
Does that one load? If not, I'd try polishing the bolt face. And maybe the ramp sections of the carrier.

Hope this helps, AntiqueSledMan.

[Kev18]

Hello Kev18,

Is that a blank cartridge shown in the pictures, or maybe a shot cartridge?
Does that one load? If not, I'd try polishing the bolt face. And maybe the ramp sections of the carrier.

Hope this helps, AntiqueSledMan.

None of them are blanks, but I actually tried multiple shot cartridges and thats how I came to the conclusion that they get stuck alittle below the chamber on that little 2-step thing. Would it be safe to polish that alittle? or round off the edges?

[skeettx]

Give this a try, on a loaded cartridge with the decapping stem removed,
GENTLY size the loaded cartridge just a LITTLE.

It will NOT go all the way into the die,
in fact MOST will not go into the die,
but the neck portion will straighten and round out
the cartridge.

Second, on the front area of your cartridge lifter, add a bit of tape or brass shim to raise the cartridge a bit.

Mike