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    Swedish 33 rollers in 9.3x57R

    I just bought a collection of Swedish model 33 rollers. Four of them are 9.3x57R and one is 5.6x35R. Does anyone have experience with casting for the 9.3x57R. TIA
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    You might want to check this out, though not a rolling block.

    http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...-NOE-285-gr-FN

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    Any chance you could post a few pics for those of us who are envious of your find??

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    What is 5.6x35R? Sounds about like a .22 Hornet?

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    I have a few good, reduced loads for my Husky Mauser in 9.3 X 57, if that's the same cartridge only without a rim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by richhodg66 View Post
    What is 5.6x35R? Sounds about like a .22 Hornet?
    5.6x35R Vierling is the doppleganger for the .22 Hornet. AFAIK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharps4590 View Post
    I have a few good, reduced loads for my Husky Mauser in 9.3 X 57, if that's the same cartridge only without a rim.
    No, and the cartridge you have is much hotter!


    I own and shoot/load for a Type 33A Husqvarna Rolling Block. Mine is the pistol grip, full stock version. Mine is also a .375" groove, so really a 9.5x57R. Need to slug the bores on those Type 33's as most are around .366", but some run a lot larger!
    I use .38-55 brass for mine, and also .38-55 data. If you have either bore size the .38-55 data is still perfect for these guns. If yours are the smaller 9.3 true size, then you'll need a custom mold built to cast for them. Mine at .375" is much easier as I simply run my .379" bullets through my .376" sizer to reduce them to the correct diameter.

    I retrofitted mine with an old Marbles tang sight, as factory sights leave much to be desired for accurate longer distance shooting.


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    Thanks Marlinma39! What bullet do you use in the 9.3x57R loads? Is there any vendors that cast them? Does the 38-55 brass fit in these guns since they are both straight walled? What about the bullets? If I cut back 9.3x72R will they work?
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    In regards to the 5.6x35R it appears the breech does not close all the way on .22 Hornet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RGRWJB View Post
    Thanks Marlinma39! What bullet do you use in the 9.3x57R loads? Is there any vendors that cast them? Does the 38-55 brass fit in these guns since they are both straight walled? What about the bullets? If I cut back 9.3x72R will they work?
    You can indeed cut back the 9.3x72R, and the .38-55 brass also works if your chamber accepts the larger rim. Some have fairly forgiving rim cuts, while others don't. But either way the 9.3x72 will work for sure.
    I use 250-255 gr. bullets in mine, and I cast with an old Ideal mold. But Lyman makes a very similar mold today of the same shape. Not sure of anyone selling commercial cast lead bullets in the smaller 9.3 bore size, but maybe one of the custom bullet makers would if you got the mold and sent it to them to cast for you. I know people who have done this with Montana Bullet Works, and they will cast with your mold and then send it back to you.
    Of course you'll need to check the rim cut by holding the base of a .38-55 rim in the rim cut. And you'll need to slug the bore to see which groove diameter yours has first. But either diameter 9.3 or 9.5 will use a 250 gr. bullet easily, and shoot well.
    I trim the .38-55 brass about .10" shorter to fit my chamber.

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    Ok, that's what I was wondering. Sounds as if his "9.3 X 57R" is the "9.3 X 57R/360D" I have a rifle chambered in a slightly longer case on the same 9.3 X 72R case head. I've never worked up a smokeless load as it is not Nitro proofed. Smokeless couldn't possibly shoot any better than the BP load I worked up for it. That whole family of cartridges is a lot of fun to work with.
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    My understanding is that all the Swede 33s are smokeless guns.
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    The #33 rifle was made from 1877 to 1912
    The #33A rifle was made from 1893-1912
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    In the chart 17 posted all cartridges after the first line, for both models, were originally BP cartridges. The top row might have been as well. I am unfamiliar with any of them and couldn't find them in COTW and, I didn't look anyplace else. I know some of them later had smokeless loads but in 1877 they didn't and 1893 might be questionable. The four X47R cases were based on the 11.15 X 60R cartridge and apparently the 9.3 X 57R is as I suspected, the 9 X57R/360 and I mistakenly added the "D" suffix.
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    Although the 33's started out as BP rifles and cartridges, they can handle reasonable smokeless rounds with no issues. I've only used smokeless in mine with .38-55 smokeless data as my basis.
    I'm not sure when the Swedes went to smokeless? I know the British did so much earlier than the US did, and the British did so around 1880 with Cordite smokeless loads.

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    Whats the difference between the 33A and the 33s? Anyone have any pictures of the 33A?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RGRWJB View Post
    Whats the difference between the 33A and the 33s? Anyone have any pictures of the 33A?
    The 33 is straight grip, and the 33A is pistol grip like the picture I posted of mine above.
    Some are full stock, and some half stock, in either style 33 or 33A.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RGRWJB View Post
    In regards to the 5.6x35R it appears the breech does not close all the way on .22 Hornet.
    You might get lucky with a different brand of .22 Hornet case. SAAMI allows the max cartridge rim thickness to be ".065-.010", meaning they could be .055 and still in spec. And that's max.

    Don't remember where I got this (but SAAMI would be a good bet).
    22Hornet.pdf

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    I just received my 9.3x57R/360 cases from Buffalo Arms which was reformed from 30/40 Krag empties. None of them fit any of the 5 Husky 33a I have. Back to the drawing board.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RGRWJB View Post
    I just received my 9.3x57R/360 cases from Buffalo Arms which was reformed from 30/40 Krag empties. None of them fit any of the 5 Husky 33a I have. Back to the drawing board.
    Too small, too big? Wrong rim size? Maybe need to do a chamber cast to see what your gun's chambers are.
    But be aware that new brass rarely drops in any chamber designed for that brass. It almost always needs to be run through a sizing dies first. At least that's been my experience with new brass.

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