RepackboxMidSouth Shooters SupplyGraf & SonsTitan Reloading
Inline FabricationLee PrecisionWidenersRotoMetals2

Results 1 to 15 of 15

Thread: Counterboring a barrel

  1. #1
    Boolit Master fourarmed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Kansas
    Posts
    1,677

    Counterboring a barrel

    My nickel steel Springfield has a fragment of steel ironed into the bore surface about three inches back from the muzzle. I am reasonably sure it is steel, since electrolytic cleaning didn't touch it and fire lapping did almost nothing to it. Does anybody have any advice about trying to counterbore back far enough to remove it? I know I would need a piloted drill or reamer to have any hope of accuracy. What size bit would be advisable?

  2. #2
    Boolit Grand Master
    Mk42gunner's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Butler, MO
    Posts
    6,204
    In theory a 5/16 drill will cut a .3125" hole, and that may be big enough.

    The only thing I have ever counter bored is a Type 38 Arisaka in 6.5x.257 Roberts that had an unfortunate run in with a mud dauber. The barrel was already pretty short and I couldn't have cut it and stayed over the legal limit so I tried counter boring.

    Robert

  3. #3
    Boolit Master

    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    Way up in the Cascades
    Posts
    2,420
    How does the rifle shoot the way it is? How did you discover the presence of the inclusion -- with a bore scope? Is re-barreling an option? Mk42gunner is correct about the drill bit size, but in foreign military rifles I've encountered that have been counter-bored the hole was usually proportionately larger to the bore size, notably in Czech VZ-24s and Mosin Nagant rifles. Of course, , maybe that was the only drill bit they had! I have a VZ-24 re-bore that shoots fantastically well.

    It sounds like your Springfield is in "as-issued" condition, so I can understand the desire to retain the original barrel for authenticity, but there's just something about reboring barrels that gives me the willies, and by doing so you lose authenticity right there. On the other hand, many if not most Springfields were re-barreled at one time or another, so having one with a different than original barrel is not inauthentic.
    DG

  4. #4
    Boolit Grand Master Texas by God's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2016
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    6,706
    If it shoots well, I would just leave it alone and ignore that little blemish.
    Otherwise you might take a 30 carbine finish reamer and braze a tool Rod extension on it to give you the length needed to clean that area up.

    Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk

  5. #5
    Boolit Master fourarmed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Kansas
    Posts
    1,677
    This rifle still has the original barrel, and is in more or less original condition. If I could get it to shoot well without rebarreling, that is what I want to do. Rebarreling would be a last resort. In fact, I would probably sell it rather than go that route. I don't shoot high power any more, and I have lots of good-shooting rifles to occupy my old age.

    I have looked at the inclusion with a bore scope, although I spotted it shortly after I bought it with the unaided eye. I like the carbine reamer idea. Thanks.

  6. #6
    Boolit Master

    rockrat's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Posts
    3,731
    I think Manson or Clymer make reamers to counterbore muzzles. Check with them or possibly one of the reamer rental places to see if they have one.

  7. #7
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Nov 2017
    Location
    brisbane ,qld,australia
    Posts
    667
    Three inches back from the muzzle?......how does a counterbore remove that?.......you will end up with a two diameter barrel...ruined...and next step a 21" barrel,or less.......Any originality or collectability is gone out the door...Leave it alone,and stop worrying.

  8. #8
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Aug 2009
    Location
    gardners pa.
    Posts
    3,134
    get a core drill 5/16 have a pilot ground on it the you have a bit to counter drill it. a regular 2 flute drill is flerting with disaster so is the reamer idea.

  9. #9
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    UPSTATE new york
    Posts
    793
    1st place- muzzle cntbrs won't go as deep as you need. 2 place- see if you can find a machinist to pull barrel and do it in a lathe, centered on the bore, NOT the outside contour. I have had a couple done in bigger bore, 43 Spanish and 45-70. Both went from useless wall hangers to ram killers. If you can't find some one, maybe look into piloted chamber reamers so you get it to center on bore. I would shoot it a lot first.

  10. #10
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Oct 2005
    Location
    S.W.VA
    Posts
    604
    Wil you be able to use anything piloted with an imbedded piece of steel in the bore?
    Aaron

  11. #11
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    May 2017
    Posts
    951
    Quote Originally Posted by ascast View Post
    1st place- muzzle cntbrs won't go as deep as you need. 2 place- see if you can find a machinist to pull barrel and do it in a lathe, centered on the bore, NOT the outside contour. I have had a couple done in bigger bore, 43 Spanish and 45-70. Both went from useless wall hangers to ram killers. If you can't find some one, maybe look into piloted chamber reamers so you get it to center on bore. I would shoot it a lot first.
    I counter bored an IAB sharps 45/70 to clean up a rust spot that was leading - did it in the lathe - seemed like it worked but there was another rust spot further in and at the end I hacked the barrel, recrowned it, and recut the front sight dovetail - should have done that in the first place. Guns that wont shoot have zero value (to me) so if someone with more money than sense wants to hang it on the wall - I say sell it

  12. #12
    Boolit Master RU shooter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    SW Pa.
    Posts
    2,025
    Since it's only 3" from the muzzle could you possibly lap or broach cut just that tiny area ?sorta how they fresh a old black powder barrel but possibly you could only fresh that one groove in a very small area . I assume it's in the groove ? I'm not sure how a counter bore 3" deep would shoot ? deepest I have seen was a old Finn 91/30 I had counter bore was about 1.5" shot great though.
    If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

  13. #13
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    UPSTATE new york
    Posts
    793
    Quote Originally Posted by joatmon View Post
    Wil you be able to use anything piloted with an imbedded piece of steel in the bore?
    Aaron
    he shot the gun yes? fire lapping etc. I'm thinking might work....maybe not, gotta find the right cartridge.
    the barrel is steel
    IMHO- anything you try that involves any tools of any sort--short of a lathe or possibly a milling machine will end badly. And you will find a gunsmith/machinist to counterbore it anyway to fix your f### up, foul up, did I say foul up. Might just shoot it a lot. I have guns with big problems somewhere in the bore (not crown) and they shoot well enough
    have fun

  14. #14
    Boolit Master fourarmed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Kansas
    Posts
    1,677
    At present, it will reliably hit the earth with nearly every shot fired. Using it as is isn't an option for much of anything but firing blanks. A machinist friend suggested it might be possible to port the barrel at the location of the inclusion. That sounds a little weird to a conservative soul like myself. I might just find someone who wants a really good looking 03A1 to rebarrel, and let it go. Thanks for all your advice. I can always count on thoughtful replies here.

  15. #15
    Boolit Buddy Jedman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2014
    Location
    NW OH Oak Openings Area
    Posts
    379
    If it is as you say a piece of steel ironed on aposed to a divot or part of the bore that has been gouged somehow maybe you could try a carbide rifling button.

    You didn't mention how many grooves your barrel has, I think some were only 2 groove and most were 6 ?
    Right now on eBay there are a lot of sellers that have rifling buttons for all sizes of bores and number of grooves. I did see one for a 7.62 by 6 groove for under $15 shipped from Hong Kong. ��
    For that price I might be tempted to buy one and see if you could pull it thru your barrel with a threaded rod and a washer and nut or if not to snug push / pound it thru with a rod of some type.

    Just a thought when I read of your unusual problem.

    Jedman

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Abbreviations used in Reloading

BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check