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    New Life for H&G S-55 Mold

    I acquired this old H&G 10 cavity S-55 mold that to say it was in bad condition was an understatement. I have never seen a mold so abused, but the bullet cavities were pristine. I should have taken before photos, but the sprue bolt holes were so badly stripped out and distorted that you could turn the mold upside down and the bolts would simply drop out. The mold block at the sprue pivot bolt was also cracked as well. The aliment pin recesses were wallowed out, so the blocks just rattled when put together. The wooden handles were cracked and broken.

    Ever take on a project and then start to wonder why? That thought crossed my mind on several occasions. I really had my doubts if this old mold would ever cast another bullet. Maybe telling myself this mold is junk right now so if you ruin it no loss is what kept me going.

    My first thought was a heli-coil to restore the threads, but with a crack in the block at the bolt hole and so little side metal that would be left on the block when drilled out for a coil I decided that just wouldn't be the best choice. I decided my best course was to fill the original sprue holes then drill and tap them back out. My welding experience with cast iron is marginal to say the least and I had zero experience with H&G's Meehanite mold block iron. I figured I had two choices with the iron, either use a nickle rod or silicon bronze for a filler. I decided on the latter since I had the bronze rods and I felt I would have a better chance of getting bronze down into the holes and I was more comfortable about using bronze to repair the crack.

    Long story short my welding repairs seemed to work. I flipped the aliment pins to the opposite blocks and installed new modified stainless sprue bolts and set screws. I also filled the original cracked and broken wooden handles with epoxy. I gave the old mold a go and cast a couple of hundred bullets and my repairs are holding. I can't say I recommend these 6 & 10 cavity molds as they are really heavy. My next project involving this mold will be to make an assist to push open the sprue cutter, because cutting 10 sprues at once is a Butt Pain!
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    Congratulations on getting that ole boy back up and running. I have settled on 4 cavities being a good compromise between comfort and production. A young strong guy sure can drop a bunch of bullets with a large gang mold!

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    Nice work!

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    Very nice work.

    It's nice to see when a mold like this is revived, so many folks would have trashed it.
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    A wile back a member passed on a few H/G 10 cavity 38 wc molds as project molds , one of those projects became mine . I'm afraid I ended up putting more money into getting it fixed the way I wanted it than purchasing one in good shape but saving the mold as a piece of history was priceless . Good save Sr.

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    I saw a contraption on a youtube video of a cam type sprue opener for a big mold like an H & G. It worked quite well but the guy tapped the back of the sprue plate with a dead blow
    hammer.

    The original H & G instructions say to use a lead hammer to open the sprue plate on those big molds. I use one on my 6 & 8 cavity molds. Those are beast and will work you to
    death if you let it. I am good for about 2 pots worth with those molds but I have a big pile of bullets.

    Very good work on repairing the mold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lightman View Post
    Congratulations on getting that ole boy back up and running. I have settled on 4 cavities being a good compromise between comfort and production. A young strong guy sure can drop a bunch of bullets with a large gang mold!
    Unfortunately, for me young & strong was a lifetime ago, but you are absolutely right for production run two 4 cavity simultaneously, they are a lot lighter and a lot easier to handle.

    One of the benefits of being retired is having the time to tackle a project like this. My actual costs for the repair were quite small because of equipment and materials already on hand, but I agree paying for professional services would not have been be cost effective.

    These old H&G molds were a machinest's work of art, no computers, just the best mold material available and pure skill. I understand the company's production rate was only about 60 molds a month. I think you are seeing these old H&G's now becoming available because of all the old casters dying off and the families haven't a clue as to what they are, other that some junk in grandpa's garage.

    Over the years I have or have used molds from most of the major manufactures and in my opinion the H&G's are still one of the best. If you have the need and see an H&G in usable condition, grab it, you won't be sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LenH View Post
    I saw a contraption on a youtube video of a cam type sprue opener for a big mold like an H & G. It worked quite well but the guy tapped the back of the sprue plate with a dead blow
    hammer.

    The original H & G instructions say to use a lead hammer to open the sprue plate on those big molds. I use one on my 6 & 8 cavity molds. Those are beast and will work you to
    death if you let it. I am good for about 2 pots worth with those molds but I have a big pile of bullets.

    Very good work on repairing the mold.
    I looked up the video and the cam openers looks interesting.

    You are right these H&G 6 & 10 cavity are a pain in more ways than one. I wouldn't have either other that finding some desired bullet designs that just don't seem to ever be available in a 4 cavity mold. I have used a lead hammer to open/cut the sprue, but what concerns me is holding the mold by hand in the traditional way, when the hammer strikes the sprue plate the force of the impact is transferred in leverage to the wooden handles. The short metal stems inside the handles tend to shift and crack the handles.

    With the cam opener design the mold blocks are held in place and the force is applied to the sprue plate with leverage. My only problem is setting something like this up appears it will require a very sturdy stand to hold the opener as well as standing & moving around quite a bit to access the pot and the opener as seen in the video, but that I believe is preferable to my banging with a hammer while holding the mold.

    My thoughts presently is setting up a vertically mounted pneumatic cylinder that will drive a hard lead alloy block against the sprue plate accomplishing the same thing with a push of a button. The cylinder would be self supporting and all the force applied directly to the sprue plate. I think doing so would allow me to still sit comfortably on my stool and be more efficient. When you get old comfort and moving around a lot is a consideration. At the present it is just an idea.
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    You truly did a great job preserving a great mould. Are the weights around 100 grains like you wanted?
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    Quote Originally Posted by flydad View Post
    You truly did a great job preserving a great mould. Are the weights around 100 grains like you wanted?
    Yes, the bullets out of the mold are running 100.1 gr to 100.3 gr. using my range scrap. After PC I plan on a Ransom Rest test. In the IDPA I used to shoot the 9mm 100 gr. Berry plated bullets that were amazingly accurate with a lighter recoil making recover faster. A 100 grain bullet has to exceed 1250 fps to comply with the IDPA power factor of 125K for 9mm. It will be interesting to see how these PC H&G's compare side by side to the Berry. The thing that concerns me is the Berry bullets have a hollow base giving them more barrel surface contact due to the additional length and that may be an advantage for Berry.

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    My 10 cavity S55 casts like a house afire. Sized in a Star sizer.
    I load them on a Dillon 550 and I shoot the ammo from a MAC 11A1 submachinegun in 380.
    Talk about a bullet hose!
    The S55 takes a full 10 casts to come up to temperature.
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    Looks really good to me.

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