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    In line with long twist

    Hi everyone. I live in a place where it rains a lot we get on average 180 inches of rain a year. I love shooting black powder. I was thinking an in line with a 209 primer slow twist for round balls in a 54 cal would be nice. In a wet environment the inline would be the most reliable. Seems most all in lines are fast twist. I like shooting round balls and not at reduced powder charges. I want to hunt with them. Does any one here know of any one that makes a long twist rifle? I like the break action modern rifles. I have a few flint locks but they don't like the rain. I have a Knight LK93 but it has the fast twist and I have to really slow the round balls down to get any accuracy. Any ideas guys?
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    Mag spark (sealed 209 ignition)on my side locks with tape across muzzle ,Waterproof and done .Renegades/Hawkens/and almost forgot H+A under hammer all slow twist RB shooters /45-58 cal 30 gr to 110 gr /squirrel to whatever /Ed

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    Your fighting the tides. 99% of those shooting inlines are shooting sabots or similar. Guys shooting RB are old school and want side locks. Be very very little demand for a slow twist inline. So gunsmith and a new barrel are probably only options.

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    If you really have to have an inline with a slow twist, have Bobby Hoyt put a liner in the inline of your choice. 717-642-6696. I would go with the Mag spark and taping the barrel. To each his own.
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    Mag spark? I will have to look into that. Thanks for that. It replaces the nipple on a standard side lock? I bet if one company made one model inline with a long twist they would be surprised how many people would buy one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lead chucker View Post
    Mag spark? I will have to look into that. Thanks for that. It replaces the nipple on a standard side lock? I bet if one company made one model inline with a long twist they would be surprised how many people would buy one.
    You would be too,think you would get lonely in that group of roundball shooters . Inline shooters want to extend their rifle season around here and have no interest in short range (RB) shooting ,flintrock/sidelock .Perhaps your location differs from mine /have fun Ed

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    Traditions makes a special run of Youth 4-H & YHEC shooting sports rifles that are exclusively available from http://www.muzzleloadershop.com

    It is a break action 209 round ball model with a 13" youth stock for which an adult replacement stock can be obtained directly from Traditions.

    It's a .50 caliber with a 1 in 48" twist 24" octagon barrel that has Williams metal fiber optic sights.

    Last I heard they were out of stock and were waiting for more to come in.

    lead chucker, please let me know if you find that any have become available.

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    IMO, the OP was envisioning a barrel rifling twist on the order of 1:60" or so.

    A 1:48" twist is a marketing ploy/compromise, to sell more rifles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pietro View Post
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    IMO, the OP was envisioning a barrel rifling twist on the order of 1:60" or so.

    A 1:48" twist is a marketing ploy/compromise, to sell more rifles.

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    AFAIK, the original Hawken Brothers rifles were 1 in 48".
    The Hawken Brothers rifles were among the most desirable rifles of the entire era.
    And possibly many more cap lock rifles from the percussion era were 1 in 48" than any other twist.

    The 1 in 48" twist is no modern gimmick or ploy to sell more modern reproduction rifles.
    It's a historically correct round ball twist from which the modern reproduction Hawken rifle twist rates are based upon.
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    Pecatonia Longrifles sell an Allen in line action. I called the shop a couple years ago and spoke to the owner about an in line 58cal based off that action. I was told that it has been done and he used I believe the Rem model 700 stock dimensions. It was a pricey build and I never went through with it. I have seen some custom in lines. Even a 12 bore rifle! Now we are talkin! I'm just sayin it can and has been done. If you can dream it someone can build it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lead chucker View Post
    Mag spark? I will have to look into that. Thanks for that. It replaces the nipple on a standard side lock? I bet if one company made one model inline with a long twist they would be surprised how many people would buy one.
    Post #2 by Edward and my post recommend the Mag spark and taping the barrel. The mag spark needs anti-seize on the threads as per their directions. A Thompson Center side lock with a Mag spark (flea bay) and taped barrel and a Hoyt lined barrel is the way to go. Some T/C 's had a slow twist barrel too, 1 in 66 twist vs the usual 1 in 48.
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