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    Speer #11 Manual - Retro Winchester Powders

    Would anyone here have a copy of the SPEER #11 loading manual?
    I'm looking for handgun data for Winchester 452AA & 473AA powder, and I understand there is some data in the #11 Speer book
    Yes I am aware they're primarily shotshell powders, but I have inherited about 15 lbs from an old friend who only shot pistols with these powders.
    TIA for any help out there

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    Also have a bunch of it, and haven’t found either Speer #11 or the Win pamphlet from then that apparently has additional 45acp data.

    Did find the data from Speer #11 though.
    http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/a.../t-534084.html

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    I read your post & went down to my reloading room & brought the Speer #11 manual back up to my computer.

    Need some info from you to help ya if I can, and if the link above does not help.

    Caliber & bullet/boolit description and I can look for the powders in the load data.
    ?

    I can try to take a pic or two of the tables from the manual & post them, if that might help as well.
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    Actual pics from the 45ACP pages of the Speer# 11 manual, if they help: Click image for larger version. 

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    I can try other calibers if ya like. Just let me know & I will check back later.

    BTW, if the pics are not clear enough, I can try to retake. Did the best I could for now.
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    2nd Amend./U.S. Const. - "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    "A man ought ta do what he thinks is best" - "Hondo" Lane.(John Wayne)

    "If ya don't like my gate, ya don't have to swing on the hinges..." - L. Ackerman ( RIP)

    Enforce the Immigration laws & deport the illegal aliens. Quit fooling around!

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    Thank you JB, that is a great help. I am looking to load 38 spl, 357m with 125g cast (LEE rnfp) and 158g cast (various)
    as well as 9mm (115g & 124g) & 38 super (125g-135g-145g)
    I don't expect you to rush but if you do have any information that you could share,
    at your convenience,
    I would br truly appreciative.
    Regards, R

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    Redgum, I sent pictures of all the data for those calibers to your email, I cannot upload here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 300winmag View Post
    Redgum, I sent pictures of all the data for those calibers to your email, I cannot upload here.
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    OK.

    I will wait to see if I can help any more, since it seems like 300winmag has taken care of thru PM, what is being researched here in the forum.
    ( I will share for folks who do not have access to those PMs, if so desired.)

    Just let me know here, & I will do what I can to help.


    G'Luck & Good shooting!


    2nd Amend./U.S. Const. - "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    "A man ought ta do what he thinks is best" - "Hondo" Lane.(John Wayne)

    "If ya don't like my gate, ya don't have to swing on the hinges..." - L. Ackerman ( RIP)

    Enforce the Immigration laws & deport the illegal aliens. Quit fooling around!

    ~~ WWG1WGA ~~

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    Here is the 452aa data from the link I posted. Is there more in Speer #11?

    Speer manual #11 has a little data:
    9MM--452AA--124gr TMJ--start 4.9-1064 fps---maximum 5.4-1142fps
    - the only load listed in 9MM with any bullet weight
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    38 Special
    -148gr Hollow Base W.C lead---452 AA--start 2.8-772fps--max 3.1-802fps
    -158gr. semi-WC, 158 RN, semi WC HP lead bullet 452AA start 3.6-763-max 4.0-842 fps
    -110gr. jacketed HP 452AA start 4.5-934fps Maximum (+P) 5.4-1072fps
    -125gr jacketed Soft Point and HP---452AA start 4.3-877 fps--max (+P) 5.1-968 fps no other bullet weights used 452AA
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    357 Magnum
    -148 Hollow Base WC lead---452AA--start 3.0-758fps---max 3.3--812 fps
    -158gr semi WC and Semi-WC HP lead--452AA--start 5.0-960 max 5.5-1004
    -110gr jacketed HP --452 AA--start 12.5-1434fps----max 13.5-1488 fps
    -125 jacketed SP and HP--452AA-start 10.5-1261---max--11.5-1349 fps
    no other loads listed
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    45 auto ACP
    --speer 185 TMJ Match--452AA start 4.3-757--maximum-4.7--819 fps
    --speer 200 TMJ Combat--452AA start 5.0-841 fps--max 5.5--898 fps
    --200 gr HP---452AA--start 5.0-868 fps---max 5.5--916 fps
    --230 gr TMJ--452AA--start 4.7-760 fps---max--5.3--825 fps
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    Be extremely careful using this data. As you can see the min and max on the loads are close together , this is OLD Speer data using their bullets which some are discontinued. They used CCI 500 and CCI 300 primers. Use with caution and at your own risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimB.. View Post
    Here is the 452aa data from the link I posted. Is there more in Speer #11?
    I posted all of the 45ACP load data tables listed in the Speer#11 manual. Pages 435 to 438. 8 listings in all.{You listed 4 for just the one powder, 452AA) They either have one or both of the two listed powders from the OP/Post #1.
    Winchester 452AA & 473AA

    Are there more? Likely.

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    In the interest of helping EVERYONE who reads this topic, I will take pics of the pages/load tables from that Speer #11 manual for any caliber & boolit/bullet weight that are requested & are listed in that manual & share them here in the MAIN forum.

    I am not going to go searching thru the manual just to find the loads based on powders alone.

    I am willing to help, but some specifics would be best.
    2nd Amend./U.S. Const. - "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

    "A man ought ta do what he thinks is best" - "Hondo" Lane.(John Wayne)

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    Thank you guys, that is a great help, more than y'all realise, and i really do appreciate your kindness.
    Regards, R

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBinMN View Post
    I am willing to help, but some specifics would be best.
    Yup, sorry didn’t think about finding the info in the way I asked. What I meant was for the 3 pistol calibers listed.

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