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Thread: 9mm +P+, what pistol can shoot it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Forrest r View Post
    Any firearm that's "nato" approved will eat a steady diet of them.

    Glock 17 & 19, sig 226 & 228, CZ- P01 & 75b, beretta m9 come to mind.
    The current service load for the 9mm pistols is a stalwart one--124 grain bullets running in the 1235-1250 FPS bracket. This has been pretty standard for European 9mm pistols since just about forever. It has been American ammo companies that have down-loaded the 9 x 19 Parabellum out of concern that Euro-spec ammo might find its way into wheezy and less vigorous nominal 9mm pistols with OEM cartridges other than & lesser than 9 x 19.
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    Used to shoot that stuff all the time in my Beretta 92 and CZ 75/85s. Limited number in my Simth 6906. Still carry a mag or two of it in my G19.

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    I have some of that stuff and was thinking of trying it in the CZ75 BD but have been a little squeamish about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RU shooter View Post
    Not knocking hi point on their quality BUT and a big but it's just ugly as sin
    In my book Ugly is as Ugly does. A good looking gun that consistently has a problem loading the second or third round would be terminally ugly to me.

    I will admit that Hipoints won't win any constest based on good looks.

    But when it comes to reliable, inexpensive yeah they do it for me.
    In fact they care so little about what they look like that it becomes a positive for me.f

    Function is all, image is nothing. I can live with that.

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    I see a lot of speculation with no real pressure data. The OP mentioned Winchester 9mm 115 gr. LE agency loads. My father retired from the Illinois State Police in 1986, and this was the issue load for their S&W M39 at that time.
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    I would be comfortable shooting a 40,000 CUP load in a Blackhawk, due to the fully supported case head in that gun. I personally would not run it through a semi-auto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DuaneH View Post
    I see a lot of speculation with no real pressure data. The OP mentioned Winchester 9mm 115 gr. LE agency loads. My father retired from the Illinois State Police in 1986, and this was the issue load for their S&W M39 at that time.
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    I would be comfortable shooting a 40,000 CUP load in a Blackhawk, due to the fully supported case head in that gun. I personally would not run it through a semi-auto.
    Apparently the ISP had no issues Firing it in their semi autos
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    Quote Originally Posted by RU shooter View Post
    Apparently the ISP had no issues Firing it in their semi autos
    I think he kinda made a point there without meaning to.


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    FWIW:

    The late 80's the glock Armorers manual lists the 17/19 as being rated for 43,500psi. That's with the glock un-supported chambers.

    Winchester had/has some pretty hot 9mm ammo. They sold mountains of the stuff.
    ww's ranger-t series that is 42,000cup rated
    http://www.winchesterle.com/Lists%2F...13%2FRA9TA.pdf
    That 42,000cup ammo being tested in a glock 19
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSY018CXRi8
    You can buy that same ammo for $28 a box (ra9ta)
    https://www.sportsmansoutdoorsuperst...2.cfm/ID/61176

    That (ra9ta) winchester ammo is pretty popular and has been used in countless makes/mfg's of different firearms. Anyway there's a ton of video's out there showing shooter's using hot 9mm ammo, do a search on winchester ranger t-series ammo. You'll see anything from taurus's to berska's shooting/using that 42,000cup ammo.

    I'm not telling anyone to use or not use anything. Just pointing out that +p+ ammo has been around for decades and still is being used to this day. I do find it surprising that this thread/website came up with it's a "ruger" only ammo when countless 1000's of le agencies using 1,000,000's of firearms that weren't rugers have used this ammo for decades. Let along the ammo in question is actually mild compared to the modern winchester ra9ta ammo (42,000cup vs 40,000cup) that has been fling off the shelves/bought up fast/extremely popular for years.

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    One the back of my box Winchester(RA9115P+) has is this warning, "These cartridges are loaded to specifications that require higher velocity and pressure than conventional 9mm Luger cartridges: average pressures is 20-25% higher(approximately 40,000 C.U.P.) than industry standard pressure for 9mm Luger."

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