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Thread: Cap & Ball Revolver vs. Modern Handgun Qualification Course

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    Cap & Ball Revolver vs. Modern Handgun Qualification Course

    Hi all! Attached below is a link to my latest video. In this one, I'm standing the concept of the modern defensive handgun on its head as I take on the current Ohio Peace Officer's handgun qualification course with my Pietta/Remington New Army Cap&Ball revolver. To see how it goes, follow the link. Also, as always, be sure to let me know what you think after you watch the video!

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    it confirms what I always said if a person is coming after you with a cap & ball pistol you are in trouble. your speed loader was a common answer for the need of more shots. some carried as many as six guns on horse back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bob208 View Post
    it confirms what I always said if a person is coming after you with a cap & ball pistol you are in trouble. your speed loader was a common answer for the need of more shots. some carried as many as six guns on horse back.
    Thank you!

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    Not surprised; though I did not use a cap and ball; back when we all used wheelguns, I always shot single action rather than double action for better accuracy when shooting for qualification with the local sheriff's office. And, I always had plenty of time.

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    What was the distance between shooter and target?

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    Quote Originally Posted by curator View Post
    What was the distance between shooter and target?
    It changes with each stage. If you watch the video, I mention the distance for the stage I'm firing.

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    From 4 to 50 ft. Great video by the way! I do like your speed loader
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    I loved your creative thinking for speedloading... it would be nice to have twins.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swheeler View Post
    From 4 to 50 ft. Great video by the way! I do like your speed loader
    Thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Markopolo View Post
    I loved your creative thinking for speedloading... it would be nice to have twins.

    Maybe I'll have to get a "Lone Ranger" double-gun rig!

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    Some years ago I did the same thing firing a Ruger Old Army and carrying extra loaded cylinders in speed loader pouches and doing the Clint Eastwood "Pale Rider" reload. I also have the Kirst Kartridge Converter for my ROA and can interchangibly use either my cap & ball or the Kirst cartridge cylinder which works with either .455 Webley or .45 ACP. My revolver was accurized by the late Jerry Kieffer of Richmond, VA, has Hamilton Bowen "Rough Country" sights fitted, a custom base pin with oversized knob, knurled wingnut on the base pin release screw and a Webley-style lanyard loop in the butt. Extremely accurate and reliable field gun which has killed truckloads of deer in the last 25 years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outpost75 View Post
    Some years ago I did the same thing firing a Ruger Old Army and carrying extra loaded cylinders in speed loader pouches and doing the Clint Eastwood "Pale Rider" reload. I also have the Kirst Kartridge Converter for my ROA and can interchangibly use either my cap & ball or the Kirst cartridge cylinder which works with either .455 Webley or .45 ACP. My revolver was accurized by the late Jerry Kieffer of Richmond, VA, has Hamilton Bowen "Rough Country" sights fitted, a custom base pin with oversized knob, knurled wingnut on the base pin release screw and a Webley-style lanyard loop in the butt. Extremely accurate and reliable field gun which has killed truckloads of deer in the last 25 years.
    I always kind of wanted an Old Army. Unfortunately, the lasty one I saw for sale a few months ago left me with sticker shock so bad I'm still shaking!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hrfunk View Post
    I always kind of wanted an Old Army. Unfortunately, the lasty one I saw for sale a few months ago left me with sticker shock so bad I'm still shaking!

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    Less than an Ed Brown M1911. You should get one.

    If ever reduced to ONE handgun, ROA with Kirst Konverter and three cap & ball cylinders would be the one I keep. Knowing what they were proofed with at the factory, and having fitted one up there to measure pressures, I have a bit of flexibility in loading and am not dependent on black powder. The specifics are not for publication. Suffice to say 900 fps with Lee 250-grain R.E.A.L. and 4-6" six-shot 100-yard groups from Ransom rest is possible and equals full charge .45 Colt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outpost75 View Post
    Less than an Ed Brown M1911. You should get one.

    If ever reduced to ONE handgun, ROA with Kirst Konverter and three cap & ball cylinders would be the one I keep. Knowing what they were proofed with at the factory, and having fitted one up there to measure pressures, I have a bit of flexibility in loading and am not dependent on black powder. The specifics are not for publication. Suffice to say 900 fps with Lee 250-grain R.E.A.L. and 4-6" six-shot 100-yard groups from Ransom rest is possible and equals full charge .45 Colt.
    That is extremely cool!

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    Hrfunk,
    How many grains and of which powder were you shooting with?

    If you were more familiar with your new Sheriff model, do you think that you would
    be able to score as well as you did compared to the 8 inch version at all distances?

    Its shorter sighting plane should help you to aim faster than the standard model
    and perhaps even save you an extra second or two to deal with potential misfires.

    I appreciated seeing the Sheriff model make its entrance and it seemed to shoot accurately. Both guns did.
    And I wouldn't mind watching you repeat the course of fire with the Sheriff model someday.

    Thanks a bunch for showing us how to have some fun with our own C&B revolvers.
    Last edited by arcticap; 10-11-2018 at 10:08 PM.

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    I was using 30 grains of FFFG under a .451" round ball. I had a "wonder wad" between the powder and the balls. As far as the Sheriff Model is concerned, I really like it so far, but at this point I have fired a grad total of six shots from it. I loaded it up for the video and fired 3 shots to verify it's functioning and point of impact, and the other three shots you saw me fire in the reloading stage. I'm going to do a full review on that model in the near future and I'll shoot it a lot more for that. Then I'll be able to give you a better evaluation of it. So stay tuned!

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    Very good video, I enjoyed it!
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    Good Shooting! I'd give you a "GO" on the speed loader.
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    Thanks fellas! I appreciate it!

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    Fun video, and good shooting. I'd like to see Jerry Michelek do the exercise!
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