Graf & SonsRepackboxInline FabricationWideners
RotoMetals2Lee PrecisionStainLess Steel MediaMidSouth Shooters Supply
Titan Reloading
Results 1 to 15 of 15

Thread: Double ball loads in steel shot wads?

  1. #1
    Boolit Bub
    Join Date
    Sep 2018
    Posts
    52

    Double ball loads in steel shot wads?

    My next great idea is to load two .662 RB in a steel shot wad but I'm a bit worried about both the pressure and the recoil.
    That would be a 52gm payload and that's probably a fair bit too much.

    Anyone played with a load like that? The reason For it is that I can shoot a .662 RB through my extra full choke on my Baikal single shot, but I doubt foster slugs would be a good idea, this probably isn't either.

  2. #2
    Boolit Buddy
    Join Date
    Dec 2016
    Location
    Montreal
    Posts
    107

  3. #3
    Boolit Master

    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Castlegar, B.C., Canada
    Posts
    5,825
    Do a search for Dixie Tri-Ball...

    Never mind, here it is:

    http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...light=tri-ball

    Your payload will be less than that but surprisingly not that much! Two 0.662" RB's weigh 842 grs. and three 0.600" RB's weigh 939 grs. if balls are wheelweight, and according to James Gates they should be hard so best water dropped or oven heat treated.

    Also, I have a load from the internet (so we know it's safe!) for two 0.690" RB's. I have not tried it but it appears to come from a reliable source on shotgunworld.com and cross referencing to published load data for the payload shows it is reasonable. If you are interested I'll PM you load details.

    I was thinking along the same lines but for me 0.600" or 0.610" was what I was looking at. Haven't got there yet. I'll be following this thread to see how you do!

    You might do a search for Tri-Ball anyway to check on successes and failures and accuracy. I've wondered if a 2 ball load would pattern better, worse or similar to a Tri-Ball load.

    Also of possible interest:

    http://www.siarm.com/index.php?cPath=2_20_164_60

    scroll to the bottom for 2 ball wads. I'm sure they listed ball diameter somewhere but I can't find it now.

    Steel shot wads should work though but i'd put some cushion material between balls.

    Longbow

  4. #4
    Boolit Master

    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Castlegar, B.C., Canada
    Posts
    5,825
    Hah! Faustus beat me to the Tri-Ball while I was typing.

  5. #5
    Boolit Master
    Hogtamer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    East central GA, Appling near Augusta
    Posts
    2,276
    LB, I loaded quite a few .600 balls (2) in a steel shot wad with good success. Will have to get the info on the wad, I know I used a card in the bottom of the wad and the first ball fit quite snugly. Had to patch the top ball (wads are very tapered and thick) for a good fit in 3" hull. Could get both balls in a 2 - 4" spacing consistenly from rifled barrel at 75 yds. Deadly but kicked like a po'd mule. Actually killed a nice hog with that load at about 50 yds. One ball went through both shoulders and one broke femur. As usual projectiles not retreived. Even the modestly loaded home rolled stuff we put together is more than enough for any animal in this part of the world. Out of about 15 hogs and 4 deer I've killed the last few years plus several light loads I put together for a friend with MS who can't tolerate recoil not one projectile has been recovered. I finally figured out I don't have to punish myself to be lethal on the other end. Lots more fun that way.
    "My main ambition in life is to be on the devil's most wanted list."
    Leonard Ravenhill

  6. #6
    Boolit Bub
    Join Date
    Sep 2018
    Posts
    52
    I took apart some Remington nitro steel shells and found two .662 balls fit in good, I was going to use a single ball but that left a lot of space, it took about 35-40mm of felt to bring them up to height.
    If I can do this then it might be a great pig and deer load.
    I am limited to a single ball for Deer where I hunt and might try some paper patched balls in a lead wad, but I like the idea of the double ball for stopping big Boars.
    I just really like the single shot Baikal for some reason and want to make it more versatile.

    I did look at the tri ball loads but I wasn't sure if it would translate into a 2 ball 2 3/4" load as 3" shells are pretty rare where I am.

  7. #7
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Tennessee
    Posts
    1,453
    Longbow, I would be very interested in the 2x .690 ball loads. I have a mold for one for my 12ga muzzle loader. Following this as I have a bunch of steel wads..
    “You don’t practice until you get it right. You practice until you can’t get it wrong.” Jason Elam, All-Pro kicker, Denver Broncos

  8. #8
    Boolit Bub
    Join Date
    Sep 2018
    Posts
    52
    Those two ball wads are interesting, I was looking at getting a 3d printer in the future, I could print some of those for any size ball I like.
    Probably be not much more then importing steel shot wads anyway.
    And I could make all sorts of fun things with one, fins for a Lee 1oz slug for instance.

  9. #9
    Boolit Master

    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Castlegar, B.C., Canada
    Posts
    5,825
    I'll look up the 2 ball load info tomorrow and post it. Just remember, I have not tried it so no personal experience.

    I have a soft spot for the old single shots too but mine are Cooey which used to be a Canadian company that was bought out by Winchester many years ago. Shut down for many years now too. I have 4 or 5 of them and have had others over the years. They are hardly a collector item but I like them!

    Longbow

  10. #10
    Boolit Master

    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Castlegar, B.C., Canada
    Posts
    5,825
    Okay then... I took a quick look and found it. This is Deer Assassin's double 0.690" ball load copied from shotgunworld:

    Deer Assassin Double Ball Load

    I used an Oehler 43PBL with a strain gauge to test the pressures of the load that I am shooting and came up with an average pressure reading of 10,200 psi. for 10 shots. The load that I am shooting and have been shooting since 1984 and is still one of my favorite close range deer and hog busters. This load that I'm listing performs very well out of my barrel and my records show that I have, since 1984, shot 682 of these same exact loads. A lot of them were practice loads, some were recorded as deer kills and some were hogs with an ocassional coyote thrown in there...

    My double .690 round ball load is as follows:

    HULL: Activ 3"

    PRIMER: CCI-209M

    POWDER: Blue Dot - 32.0 grains

    GAS SEAL: Win. AA-12 wad with the petals removed

    WADS: 1 - 12ga. nitro card on top of gas seal

    WADS: 1 - 1/8" wool felt wad on top of nitro card

    WADS: 2 - Teflon shot sleeves wrapped inside of hull and on top of wads

    SHOT: 1 - .690 lead round ball

    BUFFER: fill space around and to the top of ball with Ballistic Products mix #47 buffer

    WADS: 1 - 1/8" wool felt on top of buffer and round ball

    SHOT: 1 - .690 lead round ball

    BUFFER: fill space around and to the top of lead round ball

    WADS: 1 - 16ga. overshot card on top of round ball and buffer

    CRIMP: I have always prefered to crimp these Activ hulls with an 8 point crimp and then apply a couple drops finger nail polish to the center of the crimp to make sure that the buffer does not leak out...

    Do NOT shoot these loads in "cheap" guns or guns that were not designed specifically for 3" magnum loads...

    Like I said before, my 30" fixed full choke barrel will keep these two lead balls inside a 2 1/2" circle at 75 yards, while my father in-laws Remington 1100 with it's modified barrel will keep both balls inside a 6" circle at 75 yards and he too has killed his share of deer and hogs with this same load....

    D-A



    Again, I have not tried this load. Use at your own risk!This is a slightly larger powder charge and slightly lighter payload than Dixie's Tri-Ball load data so it is in the ball park but best to cross reference and verify! Or even better, use Tri-Ball data with the 2 ball load.

    Not sure if two 0.662" RB's would fit in a 2 3/4" hull. I'll have to check.

    If he is getting an honest 2 1/2" group at 75 yards that is very good! Even the 6" group at 75 yards is pretty darn good if true and consistent!

    Longbow

  11. #11
    Boolit Master bikerbeans's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Posts
    1,415
    32g of blue dot with a +2 ounce payload out of a single shot will get your attention.

    BB

  12. #12
    Boolit Bub
    Join Date
    Sep 2018
    Posts
    52
    I'm thinking that recoil might put you too sleep.

  13. #13
    Boolit Master

    Join Date
    May 2005
    Location
    Castlegar, B.C., Canada
    Posts
    5,825
    When I say "Or even better, use Tri-Ball data with the 2 ball load." I'm thinking two 0.662" balls not the 0.690" balls. 2 x 0.690" balls is heavier than 3 x 0.600" balls.

    "32g of blue dot with a +2 ounce payload out of a single shot will get your attention.

    BB"

    Yes, or this:

    "I'm thinking that recoil might put you too sleep."

    A sleep from which you might not awake! Or without brain damage anyway!

    Not sure what pressure James' Tri-Ball load generates but with an extra 3 grs. or so pressure will be even higher and that Tri-Ball load is a skookum load as is!

    Let us know how it works and how many brain cells expire after you pull the trigger!

    Longbow

  14. #14
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Location
    Tennessee
    Posts
    1,453
    Thank gou for posting that data ,Longbow. After reading it thru, I consider that is "academic" knowledge for myself. I don't need to try it, mastadons are extinct round here, and the recoil has th be brutal!
    “You don’t practice until you get it right. You practice until you can’t get it wrong.” Jason Elam, All-Pro kicker, Denver Broncos

  15. #15
    Boolit Master

    Rattlesnake Charlie's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2007
    Location
    Los Alamos, NM
    Posts
    1,096
    Sure wish a load using readily available 2.75" case, two balls of .690", readily available wad, current production powder, pressure within industry specs, and a velocity of about 1100 fps, would surface. Yeah, I bought my lottery tickets too.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Abbreviations used in Reloading

BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check