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    41 rimfire smokeless load?

    Looks like I may win a colt number 3 in 41 rimfire. Empty cases are available that use a 22 blank for a primer. Of course black powder can be assembled but was wondering if anyone has loaded these cases with smokeless. Thanks

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    Not reloaded that caliber but many years back I owned and carried a .41 Remington. Back then, early '60's, ammo was available. Copper cased and with that extreme truncated bullet. The loads were obviously smokeless and shot rather well as I recall. I still have a round or so of that stuff but the gun is long (******) long gone.

    Neat piece....quite unlike the modern versions in that it was not overly heavy with that bulky pivot point..........mine did have a solid pivot latch, but several I've handled were cracked. As I recall the round was so slow it took quite a while to 'thunk' when shooting at a solid target at about 30/40 yards........often the bullet would only lightly penetrate and I dug several out of phone poles.

    Whatever y ou do load wise....start VERY small

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    The 41 Short RF was developed for the derringer, ie #3 Colt with an intended low velocity 425 fps using a powder charge of 13gr of black powder. There is no loading data to emulate the BP velocity using smokeless powder. If you REALLY HAVE TO HAVE a smokeless load, personally I would use Bullseye powder and start low with 0.5gr and work up to 425 fps shooting over a chronograph. Good Luck

    For my Stevens Tip Up in 32 Long RF - I use Bullseye for smokeless charges but no recommendations due to these being 2 different calibers and the Tip Up is a rifle charge
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    At this point I am leaning towards black powder. My plan is to chuck a heel base 41 LC bullet in a drill and shave the blunt round nose to look like the pointed 41 RF short bullet.

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    Good Luck working a Lead Heeled Bullet in a Three Jaw Drill Chuck!
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    If you can find this Ideal mold or have it custom made, this is the bullet for the 41 Short RF ...
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    386176. This is the old style .41 short Colt's O. L. bullet. No. 1 tool only. Not sized and seated on heel of bullet only. (Heel, 163 - TP is 167)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chev. William View Post
    Good Luck working a Lead Heeled Bullet in a Three Jaw Drill Chuck!
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    Now Iíll have to do it just prove I can!

    The above mold would be great to find and I would use it for cowboy action in 41 long colt as well. I was into a nice Lyman 386178 hollowbase Lyman mold on eBay a couple of days ago and it sold for $219!

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    Try Accurate Molds. The .41 is well within his comfort range of Bullet Diameters and weights.

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    GONRA modified a commercial collet chuck to modify bullets several years ago.
    Forget the conventional 3 etc. jaw lathe chucks....

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    Some of the old Brazilian import 41 short ammo blew up a few antiques cause the used smokeless powder.

    I would be very careful with an old gun as the don't make them anymore.

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    I have 12 empty reloadable cases coming from Britain. $40 shipped. Yes, black powder and I already have the crimped blanks they recommend. I have a line on that 41 short colt mold at 160 grains. If I don’t get it, I will still try to shave the long colt heeled bullet of 190 grains into a 145 grain truncated bullet.

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    The tried and true formula for TrailBoss is @ 70% of empty space under the bullet.
    You can tweak up/down from there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 17nut View Post
    The tried and true formula for TrailBoss is @ 70% of empty space under the bullet.
    You can tweak up/down from there.
    Now that is a very good idea. It appears to me that Trail Boss would be a whole lot better than Bullseye.

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    Great minds think alike as I was thinking the same. The colt number 3 should arrive about the same time the cases do. I have not seen any broken colt 41 unlike the Remington double, so maybe the navy arms smokeless didn’t cause any harm in them. Of course black powder certainly has a good bang effect though.

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    Don't Forget the smoke cloud smelling of Sulfur. In the Original Application of self Protection at very close Ranges, the Startle Effect may have played a Big Part in dissuading assaults.

    Chev. William

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    Update. Gun is here and so are the cases. I made (1) truncated bullet from a 195 heel base bullet. Way too much time but I have a plan to make that easier. So I ran a .457 soft lead ball into a .401 bullet sizer. It makes a nice round nose bullet that I used a 41 long colt case to cut a heel into the bullet. I did fire the gun with a 195 grain heel bullet with its “nose” cut off to be around 150 grains. The cartridge only had enough room for about 1.5 grains trail boss as the heel of the 41 long colt bullet is probably way too deep for 41 rimfire. It pierced both sides of a V8 can at 3 feet. I believe I am going to back that off to 1 grain of trail boss or just simply use black powder. I have to remember the 22 blank cartridge also has a charge.

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    So I am back from the big Louisville gun show. Didnít luck out and find a heeled bullet mold for 41 short but I made something else work fine. Fine indeed. Found loaded 41 rimfire ammo for $2 each if I bought all 81 load or $3 ea. I bought them all. So I used the H&C cases from England to load a short crimped 22 blank. The longer CCI crimped blanks leave little room for my heeled bullet. In the pic you can see both kinds. A 25 acp case yields 1.5 grains trailboss so I trimmed it to throw 1.0 grains. I would say I am closer to 90% capacity with my heeled bullet originally intended for 41 long colt at 190 grains. I made one truncated cone bullet but itís too much work. What is easy is to snip the nose off of the 190 grain bullet to give me a 140 wadcutter which is close to the original weight of 145 I believe for 41 short rimfire. You can see my other experiments that I abandoned. Running both a 44 conical and round ball into a .401 lee sizer. That was easy if the ball is pure lead. The issue I didnít perfect yet was making a heel onto the ďnewĒ 41 bullet. My quick method was to push the bullet into a sharpened 41 long colt case. Out of 6 or 7 attempts, I produced 2 that were cut straight enough to load easily into the chamber. That was the first bullet I fired with maybe about 1.3 grains Trailboss as it still had some space to the seated bullet. Itís important to remember that the blank cartridge also has a charge so for now, I backed off to 1.0 as the long colt bullet has more heel. You can see one charged case in the picture. The bullet goes though a V8 can and lodges about 6Ē into moist soil in my backyard.

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