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Thread: 41 rimfire smokeless load?

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    41 rimfire smokeless load?

    Looks like I may win a colt number 3 in 41 rimfire. Empty cases are available that use a 22 blank for a primer. Of course black powder can be assembled but was wondering if anyone has loaded these cases with smokeless. Thanks

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    Not reloaded that caliber but many years back I owned and carried a .41 Remington. Back then, early '60's, ammo was available. Copper cased and with that extreme truncated bullet. The loads were obviously smokeless and shot rather well as I recall. I still have a round or so of that stuff but the gun is long (******) long gone.

    Neat piece....quite unlike the modern versions in that it was not overly heavy with that bulky pivot point..........mine did have a solid pivot latch, but several I've handled were cracked. As I recall the round was so slow it took quite a while to 'thunk' when shooting at a solid target at about 30/40 yards........often the bullet would only lightly penetrate and I dug several out of phone poles.

    Whatever y ou do load wise....start VERY small

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    The 41 Short RF was developed for the derringer, ie #3 Colt with an intended low velocity 425 fps using a powder charge of 13gr of black powder. There is no loading data to emulate the BP velocity using smokeless powder. If you REALLY HAVE TO HAVE a smokeless load, personally I would use Bullseye powder and start low with 0.5gr and work up to 425 fps shooting over a chronograph. Good Luck

    For my Stevens Tip Up in 32 Long RF - I use Bullseye for smokeless charges but no recommendations due to these being 2 different calibers and the Tip Up is a rifle charge
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    At this point I am leaning towards black powder. My plan is to chuck a heel base 41 LC bullet in a drill and shave the blunt round nose to look like the pointed 41 RF short bullet.

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    Good Luck working a Lead Heeled Bullet in a Three Jaw Drill Chuck!
    Chev. William

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    If you can find this Ideal mold or have it custom made, this is the bullet for the 41 Short RF ...
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    386176. This is the old style .41 short Colt's O. L. bullet. No. 1 tool only. Not sized and seated on heel of bullet only. (Heel, 163 - TP is 167)
    Regards
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chev. William View Post
    Good Luck working a Lead Heeled Bullet in a Three Jaw Drill Chuck!
    Chev. William
    Now Iíll have to do it just prove I can!

    The above mold would be great to find and I would use it for cowboy action in 41 long colt as well. I was into a nice Lyman 386178 hollowbase Lyman mold on eBay a couple of days ago and it sold for $219!

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    Try Accurate Molds. The .41 is well within his comfort range of Bullet Diameters and weights.

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    GONRA modified a commercial collet chuck to modify bullets several years ago.
    Forget the conventional 3 etc. jaw lathe chucks....

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