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    Store Bought vs Homemade

    I am trying to get some input concerning store bought boolit performance. I mostly have cast my own but occasionally buy store bought, like for my 357 where the 125 grain cast were about as cheap as buying a mold. Also they gave me a chance to try that weight and design. 200 bullets go a long ways in that rifle for my shooting. Also an individual on another site had used commercial bullets and was getting excellent accuracy with his 38-55. However as I read his tests I see the limitations of the typical "hard cast" store bought boolit. Velocity kept around 14-1500 fps or leading starts. Also the claim is made that the anything over 1500 fps is inferior due to lack of penetration for hunting.


    Most of the folks on this site likely cast their own, but I have been trying to get input about the hunting performance of the typical store bought cast bullet on larger game like deer. I am quite happy with them in my 357 as I am using a load more aimed at smaller critters. For deer I would pour my own. Typical commercial bullet is the 92-9-2 lead-antimony-tin alloy. Big bores like the 45-70 probably can use them quite well and its possible that they might give some expansion out of rifles like the 30-30 tht push them fast enough. I think 1500 fps might be close to a threshold of expansion for that type of bullet.


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    So far about all I have seen is in the Midway reviews. Looking at a few 30 cal cast bullets, one person mentioned that Laser Cast worked OK for deer. All others seem to be buying this type of bullet for paper shooting or CB shooting. Kind of wonder if they are not used much for hunting.

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    Expansion on game with cast bullets is something I never strive for or give any consideration. A bullet heavy for caliber, suitable to the twist, with a nice meplat will do anything that needs done. At least that combination has worked exceedingly well for me over the last 25 years as in no lost game and everything has fallen within very few feet of where they were shot, if they moved at all. Rarely do my smokeless loads exceed 1800 fps and most run closer to 1600-1700, depending on the cartridge. With my BP loads, 1300 fps would be fast.
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    I don't understand the quote (anything over 1500 fps is inferior due to lack of penetration for hunting). My 311041 30 cal out of a 308 at 1800 will go right through a whitetail and drop him in 30 paces if I do my part. If i am off and hit the front shoulder the boolit will still exit the deer. Where I live the usual shot is from 50 to 180 yds. As I get older I have migrated to 358 or 35 Whelen as the molds from NOE and ACCURATE give me great choices with a large meplat that kills quick and without the massive meat destruction of the new super bullets

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oily View Post
    I don't understand the quote (anything over 1500 fps is inferior due to lack of penetration for hunting). My 311041 30 cal out of a 308 at 1800 will go right through a whitetail and drop him in 30 paces if I do my part. If i am off and hit the front shoulder the boolit will still exit the deer. Where I live the usual shot is from 50 to 180 yds. As I get older I have migrated to 358 or 35 Whelen as the molds from NOE and ACCURATE give me great choices with a large meplat that kills quick and without the massive meat destruction of the new super bullets
    That was that individuals belief, not mine, and was based on penetration for a brand of cast bullet. Penetration will increase at times if there is no bullet deformation. I use hard cast in my 45 Colt revolver because in theory, I want it to penetrate as much as possible and it is a large bore. Sharps4590 did not mention the calibers he was using, but many that use larger bores like the 45's don't much care if there is any expansion. LBT uses that theory and claims that their pistol ammo is more effective than any hollow point. They sue tempered bullets. On a 30 cal rifle or my 38-55 and on deer I prefer expanding bullets and don't feel any meplat on a 30 cal can replace expansion. However I am willing to bet that a bullet traveling at 1800 at the muzzle with a suitable meplat will have some expansion.

    I used cast in both a 303 Brit and a 30-30 that were around 1900-2000 fps and I was very satisfied with them. I used to shoot cast a lot out of old military rifles I collected with mixed results. Never found any in the animal to examine. Many have reported excellent luck like you have which is why I wanted to check. Maybe I am over concerned about something I don't need to care about? I also have taken a few deer with a 35 Remington and appreciate your move to the 35's.


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    94-6-2 lead-antimony-tin (hard ball) alloy -- negligible expansion under 1800 fps and sometimes frags when hitting hard. Lasercast are actually good (as is MBC) if they fit your gun ( I hated their lube and PCd mine). Get a mould that fits and you can make whatever good 2x is about the same as lasercast 30/30 box. Probably a complete pass thru on deer unless a big bone is hit. Soft alloy @ 1500 fps gut shot a (120#) pig carcass, 30 in ~40 out. Shoulder shot didn't exit. 40sw hard alloy (~950) went stern to stem on 150# pig. I just watch the deer.
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    ...............If you're using a "Big Bore" like 375" or more (like .458") 45-70 etc, a FN design cast 1-10 or pure lead paper patched will do all you want to considerable ranges. You just have to do your homework (ie: ranges) to be an ethical hunter.

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    I've been down both trails. I used commercially cast bullets before I started casting my own. When it comes to commercially cast bullets they fall into two categories : Adequate and horrible.

    The title "commercially cast" encompasses a lot. Swaged hollow based wadcutters aren't really "cast" but they aren't jacketed bullets either. Hard cast bullets come in varying levels of "hard" and then you run into the sizing and lube problems associated with commercial cast bullets. There's just a lot of variables when you're talking about cast projectiles.

    That being said, I had some luck with some commercial cast bullets and while I'll probably never go back down that trail again, it wasn't all bad.

    While I understand the desire to buy 100 or so cast bullets to avoid the cost of a mold that you may not use very often, I tend to look at molds as a life time purchase. My advice would be to find a bullet weight and profile that you like and then experiment with alloys until you find what you want. Commercially cast bullets may help in that process as a means to narrow down on a bullet weight and shape and therefore help guide you towards a specific mold to purchase.
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