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Thread: Winchester 23 for Blue Wing Teal

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    Winchester 23 for Blue Wing Teal

    A while back I found some Bismuth in about 1/4" ball pellets
    Also I have my Great Grandfathers 20 Gau Winchester 23 that was made before steel shot was ever made

    I am a bit cheap and didn't want to buy Bismuth shot unless I had to

    So I mixed up a batch of Bismuth and tin to make a 90 / 10 % mix

    So I cut a mold to make what I hoped would make #4 shot
    A mold that is like the Lee round ball molds , with a small flat spot where it is cut off

    Messed up the size and made it to small and ended up with #6 , the second mold DID make #4 shot

    Even with a 8 cavity mold , it took a bit of time to cast 1/2 lb of shot


    I was about to dump the shot back and remelt it
    But I thought about hunting Blue Wing Teal and kept it

    I loaded 6 shells
    5/8 oz of shot at 1200 fps

    The Winchester 23 is choked Mod & Full , but that was for the old loads with fiber and card wads
    So it is like a Full and Super Full

    This morning 2 of us headed out to the marsh to see if the Teal wanted to play

    My friend told me to shoot first
    So we waited till just after sun rise and I got to try the Winchester 23 out on Teal

    6 Teal were just outside the decoys at about 30 yards
    Jeff was ready , so we stood up

    The Teal just looked at us and sat there for about a min before taking off

    My first shot was a easy bird about 2' off the water and the second teal was about 8' up and farther out
    Jeff got 3 more and his lab had to make several trips

    I was sure glad I had not missed LOL

    I didn't feel like shooting up all 6 shells
    So I put the Winchester 23 in the case and switched to my Remington 11/87 and Steel shot to finish off my limit

    I have enough shot to load a few more shells with the #6 shot and enough #4 shot to load about a box of the 20 gau loads

    So I figure I can hunt Mallards a few times

    John
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    And I carry a SIG

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    Can you describe how you make these molds for small shot like that?

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    Not hard , but it takes time to do the math for the layout and to make the cutter .... messed up 2 before I got smart and had my friend make the cutter
    My friend also hardened the cutter .... maybe not needed if I was not using steel for the mold

    I used a 2 flute cutter , think of a 1/2 round cutter

    Lots of cutting fluid and going slow to not over heat the cutter

    Also it took a bit of work to get the right depth , I cut and checked several times
    So I didn't make oval shot

    I then drilled/cut the 8 holes in blocks of steel to form the sides with a milling machine ... not mine , but a friend has it

    I may make another mold to make #4 shot , but it will be about a 20 cavity mold next time ... because 8 of a time is SLOW !!!!!!!!!!!

    Only hard part was making sure I was the right distance down to just remove enough steel at the top to allow the alloy in

    Remove any burrs , make a sprue plate , pins are easy
    But the darn holes to let the alloy in , has to be small
    So the alloy has to be HOT and the mold has to be HOT

    Then cut the mold to take Lee handles

    Oh , I first made the mold 11/2" high .... way to much weight
    So I had to re cut the slot for the handles
    So I could make the mold a little less than 3/4" high

    Preheat the mold on a hot plate

    I will tell you , I have made a number of molds for myself
    And a mold for small shot took a lot longer than a normal bullet mold
    Mostly because of the small size

    Not sure if a drill press could do , but all it cost me is beer and I have made him a few molds

    John
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    And I carry a SIG

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    Very cool. Would it be any easier to do BB size shot?

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    Quote Originally Posted by richhodg66 View Post
    Very cool. Would it be any easier to do BB size shot?
    YES !!

    IMO the small pellet cavitys are 10X harder to do right
    Than a mid sized rifle or pistol bullet

    With the small size , I found a lot of ways to mess up before I got it right

    John
    Yea, thou I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil; for thou art with me; Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me.
    And I carry a SIG

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