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    Nice write up.. thank you
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    I've read something about nickel moulds but can't remember the details, were they Belding & Mull ?

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    Yes, B&M. pure elemental nickel. Rustproof.

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    I'm trying to attach photos of the Belding and Mull Multiple Mold for the Squibb bullet, which is the only one I have ever seen or heard of. It appears to have been made from an Ideal Armory Mold basic frame, which Ideal would have sold you in the early 1920s. I am guessing the initials A.F.P. identify the mold builder, or the mechanic who cherried it. There is a date in the lower right hand corner 1-11-24, which fits squarely into B&M mold production. The targets show some of the accuracy i have obtained recently from a Remington Russian MN and a Savage 99 .303 Savage. Both guns have aperture sights and are one hundred yard groups. I have doubts about the pictures showing up. I'll continue to work at it.Click image for larger version. 

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    Great stuff! Thank you for sharing!
    Looking for Ideal molds 419181 (44 Evans Long) and 375167 (38-72)
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    Just happen to have an original bronze Yankee mould for that design in good condition. The bullets shoot well from it and it drops them out like shelling peas.
    When we were going HP crazy, I had a Lyman 311413 hollow pointed with a .100" cavity. At moderate velocities its good for an inch at 100 yards out of my Number 1 Ruger 06.
    The 413 got its bad name from use in Springfields and too much DCM 4895. The guys weren't cast bullet savy and insisted on running it at near ball load velocities and it failed. Lower the velocity and you've got a very accurate bullet.
    Good write up and I appreciate your sharing it./beagle
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    Very nice history, and cool pic's too!

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    Just now saw your question. The B&M 311169 was the Squibb, later known as Ideal 311413, and picked up and numbered this way by Lyman in about 1925. The
    Belding and Mull 311168 was the Pope bevel-base 308403 clone essentially the same thing with one extra and narrower band. This Mold was also known as the Squibb-Miller.

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    Interesting information thanks for taking the time to share.
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    Somewhere along the line there was a 311169 with a little .305" diameter band on the back of it's nose. 1947 B&M catalog still shows it. The nose is only .3025" ahead of that band. It fits a tight throated, 294" bored K31 like a glove!
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    Lyman brought it out in 1925 as 311413, one of the most widely used .30 caliber bullets in the history of our hobby
    311413 The Squibb gas check bullet for the Springfield and other .30-06 rifles. Perhaps the most accurate gas check bullet yet produced. Excellent for target practice up to 600 yards. Has also been largely used for small game shooting in the Northwest, particularly for ducks at long range. Makes a most excellent load where one wishes to save the wear on his barrel from the full charged factory cartridge. Powder charge 16 grains Du Pont No. 80 powder, or 23 grains Hercules Lightning powder. Also very good for other 30 calibers. (GC, SP, 169 - TP is 413)
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    Is it accurate at 600yds? I printed a 5 shot, 4" group on a 500 meter Ram Silhouette using W1894 30-30 with iron sights
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    Cramer made moulds for this boolit as well. I have 2 3 cavity models, one casts at .317.

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    I have the H&G version of this design, their #20. It's my favorite for my 1903 and when keeping the velocity down to about 1500fps, I can usually shoot 1-1.5 MOA (when my eyes feel like it).
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    To the OP, great post...thanks
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    This is one of the most prized items in the collection. Early B&M Nickel Squibb. I often think I should own a 30 caliber rifle, just to see how well it shoots.

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Abbreviations used in Reloading

BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check