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Thread: The gunsmith got my NEF 30/30

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    The gunsmith got my NEF 30/30

    And he is turning it into a 30/30 a.i. Now to get some dies.....
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    What advantage does the improved version give?

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    I too have a Handi-rifle in .30-30 AI. I use the Lee collet Die to resize the neck portion of the case by placing a .125 spacer between the shell holder and the collet. Works great. Then I use the standard seating die to finish seating the boolit.

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    I don't have one, but I've heard that brass life is extended somewhat, + any performance improvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richhodg66 View Post
    What advantage does the improved version give?
    Dunno. I've read where they have a bit more velocity. It's mostly just something I've been wanting to do for over 10 years now.
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    Seems almost like the .22 K Hornet. Everybody says the main advantage is longer case life. I hope it works out for you.

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    Probably an opertunity to get a real throat /leade.

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    Extending the brass life of a 30-30 case by doing a 30-30 AI is gilding the lilly. I have cases that I have fired 15 times. With periodic neck annealing, case life is almost indefinite.

    The main "benefit" of an AI is more powder capacity by taking body taper out, moving the shoulder forward and making the shoulder a sharper angle.

    In the 30-30, powder capacity improves about 12.9%, about the third largest improvement. Increased powder capacity allows for a 150 grs j-bullet to increase velocity from @2300 to an alleged 2700 fps with 24" barrel - ballistics about matching 7.62x51. But, more powder space, less taper, sharper shoulder may not be good. Increased pressure in brass not known for super strength may be suboptimal.

    Handi Rifles are a good candidate however because an SB2 receiver can take this additional pressure and spitzer bullets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by barrabruce View Post
    Probably an opportunity to get a real throat /leade.
    This rifle has a "deep throat" to start with.....
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    I always wanted to rechamber one to 30-40 Krag. Just because.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas by God View Post
    I always wanted to rechamber one to 30-40 Krag. Just because.

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    An excellent idea. I had JES Rebore take one out to 35 Krag for me. In addition to a an original Krag, I have a Ruger #3 in 30-40 and in a strong action like that, you have the versatility of a cartridge that will deliver 308 performance and eek into 30-06 performance with 180s with j-bullets and give you that nice long neck for throwing the likes of the Lyman 311284 down range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom W. View Post
    This rifle has a "deep throat" to start with.....
    Mine does too.
    I got some 38-55 long cases and necked them down so they fill the super long neck section.

    Special brass for paper patching only.
    I wish the brass was a little thicker thou.
    I have oodles of normal brass thou.
    Maybe I should get a short lever action one day and use some of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas by God View Post
    I always wanted to rechamber one to 30-40 Krag. Just because.

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    I came real close to buying a Savage 219 that had been rechambered to .30-40 once. Call me a purist, but a single shot needs to be in a rimmed cartridge. I should have bought it.

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    if your shooting cast i dont see the advantage your not loading max loads??
    So why would you need more powder space??

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    Me? I loaded cast years ago when I was using my son's dies. I have a bunch of loads in the shed, both cast and jacketed. My late hunting buddy would always get two boxes of cast from me every season and killed many deer with his rifle.
    I've been wanting the rifle re-chambered for I know over ten years now, mostly just because. My Ruger #1B was re-chambered to 30-06 A.I. and I really like it a lot. The 30/30 will have a lot of lead fired down the bore to fireform the brass and as I'm old, retired and am in remission of my cancer there's no telling how much longer I have on this side of the grass.
    Besides that, the fireformed brass looks cool.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by barrabruce View Post
    Probably an opertunity to get a real throat /leade.
    If the AI reamer is so configured, but you can easily rethroat a .30-30 without going to the full-monty AI. Ed Harris did an excellent article on this for the Rifleman back about 1980.

    It has occurred to me time and again that, if you wanted stronger .30-30 brass, reforming .375 Winchester oughta do it. IF you can find any.
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BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
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