The new 8.6 creed

[John McCorkle]

Just realized this round may require a redesigned J-word for the masses desiring a hunting load. Most .338 J-words are designed for performance at much higher velocities.

Mike

Funny you say that

On a completely opposite end of the spectrum from cast boolits, a company is sort of partnering with/collaborating with the team designing this round. Go check out discreet ballistics...he has a wicked machined solid for 300 blk they are designing one up for the 338 Creed/8.6 Creed. This thing opens up to massive size...the 300 blk bullet is just fantastic (expensive but it's quality)

Designed for subsonic velocities...I think it's the best design for low velocity expansion I've seen. It's intriguing to me but I'm still so into cast bullets I can't spend the time equity on another avenue of shooting just yet (subsonic expansion)

David over at discreet ballistics is a super nice guy too.

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[TXGunNut]

I believe the 8.6 still requires an AR10 platform. For the AR15 you need a 338 Spectre or 338 Whisper #2

Probably so, not really much on the MSR's. As a Winchester collector I generally won't admit owning one. Not sure what to call S&W's .308, doesn't quite look like an AR10 but that's actually the one I was envisioning.

[rking22]

As to the intro on a bigger 300bo, seems interesting as I like efficient cartridges. Now as to whether it is more useful than other similar cartridges , well...
Seems all these new things are designed around the AR platform. Personally they hold no interest, the AR 10 is way too heavy for me to be interested. I always liked the idea of 338federal and had it been available my Kimber would have been so chambered.
Most of these new things are just a rehash of something from the past, updated. The 6.5 is a 250 Savage with a fast twist and very high pressure rating. I know its slightly bigger bore. The whole thing was to use the high BC bullets and get the thing to fit in the AR platform.
Im all for efficient cartridges, but whether it fits in an AR is of no concern to me. The new cartridge is less useful, real world than the 338federal, and I hardly ever see one of those. Good round but no sales, maybe the AR crowd can keep it afloat, who knows. What I would really like to see would have a rim and 100% case capacity with 4895 to drive 220 gr cast to 2000fps Long neck like the 3030 too, yeah its out there, but not a factory offering. All about marketing!!

[John McCorkle]

As to the intro on a bigger 300bo, seems interesting as I like efficient cartridges. Now as to whether it is more useful than other similar cartridges , well...
Seems all these new things are designed around the AR platform. Personally they hold no interest, the AR 10 is way too heavy for me to be interested. I always liked the idea of 338federal and had it been available my Kimber would have been so chambered.
Most of these new things are just a rehash of something from the past, updated. The 6.5 is a 250 Savage with a fast twist and very high pressure rating. I know its slightly bigger bore. The whole thing was to use the high BC bullets and get the thing to fit in the AR platform.
Im all for efficient cartridges, but whether it fits in an AR is of no concern to me. The new cartridge is less useful, real world than the 338federal, and I hardly ever see one of those. Good round but no sales, maybe the AR crowd can keep it afloat, who knows. What I would really like to see would have a rim and 100% case capacity with 4895 to drive 220 gr cast to 2000fps Long neck like the 3030 too, yeah its out there, but not a factory offering. All about marketing!!

Bingo, I like the idea of efficiency, have played with varying thoughts around what would be most efficient and what is currently available easily...30/30 is high on the list but couldn't find a bolt action in it...well not easily, but did find a 300 blk bolt action for sale cheap and haven't looked back. Sits next to my 30 06, 308...and between the three feel very content

Have looked hard and long at that new Henry single shot chambered in 45/70...just can't find the reasoning enough to jump on it right now...the rifle looks great for it's price point and I've often thought a 45/70 would be a fantastic deer gun for Louisiana primitive firearm season (break open exposed hammer greater than .35 cal). A 357 mag chambered rifle like that from Henry would be even better for our close range hunting and give me room to load lighter plinkers for my boys

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[rking22]

I'm seeing the 8.7 thingy as a close competitor to the 357max without the pistol bullet capability. My new favorite deer rnd is 375 Winchester, always thought 38-55 was the perfect fit between 45-70 & 30-30.
Found the 375 BB94 and treat it as a really over built 38-55. Not an AR guy, for that matter bolt actions aren't a favorite either. This year the deer rifle will likely be a NO 1 in 7.62x39 , did I mention efficient

[John McCorkle]

I'm seeing the 8.7 thingy as a close competitor to the 357max without the pistol bullet capability. My new favorite deer rnd is 375 Winchester, always thought 38-55 was the perfect fit between 45-70 & 30-30.
Found the 375 BB94 and treat it as a really over built 38-55. Not an AR guy, for that matter bolt actions aren't a favorite either. This year the deer rifle will likely be a NO 1 in 7.62x39 , did I mention efficient

Efficient for sure, I guess I started as a 30 cal shop (molds, sizing dies, gas check maker) when I got my 30 06 many moons ago...and have tried to stay with that in general...but also load for 38 spc., 357 mag, and 9mm which I have molds and sizing dies for now too...35 win and 35 whelen are also super interesting to me.

A dream would be a double rifle chambered in 35 whelen....with 358009 mold paper patched....that would be fantastic

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[Texas by God]

Rking22- E bait has a Williams FP for your BB ending today if you are interested. Back to the suppressor new cartridge. If it's in the AR15 it'll be interesting. In the AR10 grunt,sweat, no thanks.

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[Landy88]

...35 win and 35 whelen are also super interesting to me.

A dream would be a double rifle chambered in 35 whelen....with 358009 mold paper patched....that would be fantastic

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Not the Whelen, but your other round of interest the 35 Win was chambered in some doubles; and the last company commercially loading it was Kynoch, for that little market niche of Brit doubles and singles. Rare and not inexpensive but these exist.

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

this has been a very good conversation...mostly...

>>> I cleaned up a few parts that were superfluous.

[TXGunNut]

Rking22- E bait has a Williams FP for your BB ending today if you are interested. Back to the suppressor new cartridge. If it's in the AR15 it'll be interesting. In the AR10 grunt,sweat, no thanks.

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Have you handled S&W's AR10 variant (M&P10)? It feels quite a bit lighter and better balanced than other AR10 variants but I may be wrong. It feels more like an AR15 to me. According to their site it's 24 ounces heavier than a similar M&P15. I dunno, seemed lighter to me.