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Thread: The new 8.6 creed

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    The new 8.6 creed

    Well, got to visit with Kevin brittingham from "Q" today at our local gun shop. They have developed a new bolt action design that is fantastic called "the fix". Super light weight... fantastic design. Pricey but fantastic.

    Also up and coming is the 8.6 creedmoor. These guys were on the design team that worked on the 300 blk. This is the same concept but in a larger platform. Shorten the case and neck up a 6.5 creedmoor to .338 caliber and you can shoot heavies for hunting ranges very well. The design goes to SAAMI in January...and once that has cleared production. I think it'll wind up being a great cast caliber for short barrels and hunting distance. 300 blk is great for casting and I expect this to do well too.

    Interested to see how it develops and what the next few years turns out for this little round.

    Anyone else looked into this yet?

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    Very interesting

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    I am still wondering how in the world the 260 Remington failed and the 6.5 creedmore is how with lesser ballistics. Must be marketing as it is tough to beat a cartridge with a military case as a base. The 338 federal by all such math would beat the 8.6 but logic has never driven sales. Both are inferior to the 358.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MT Gianni View Post
    I am still wondering how in the world the 260 Remington failed and the 6.5 creedmore is how with lesser ballistics. Must be marketing as it is tough to beat a cartridge with a military case as a base. The 338 federal by all such math would beat the 8.6 but logic has never driven sales. Both are inferior to the 358.
    I think I agree with you, weighed yhe pros cons of a 338 vs 358 win (which I really like) and a 35 whelen....which I really really like!

    I love a whelen alot...just need to get my hands on one now

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    Quote Originally Posted by MT Gianni View Post
    I am still wondering how in the world the 260 Remington failed and the 6.5 creedmore is how with lesser ballistics. Must be marketing as it is tough to beat a cartridge with a military case as a base. The 338 federal by all such math would beat the 8.6 but logic has never driven sales. Both are inferior to the 358.
    If I were forced to only have two bolt action rifles in all likelihood one would be a 260 REM and the other a 338 Federal . Iíve been an advocate of the 260 since itís inception and see no reason to go to the other one . Although I donít hold your regard for the 358 WIN , had ones years ago in a Ruger 77R . Strangely I never really liked the 358 WIN but I did like the 356 WIN in a leveraction .
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    Quote Originally Posted by John McCorkle View Post
    I think I agree with you, weighed yhe pros cons of a 338 vs 358 win (which I really like) and a 35 whelen....which I really really like!

    I love a whelen alot...just need to get my hands on one now

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    Did the Whelen a number of years ago in a 700 Classic and it did very well . But it left my possession I do however have the second 6.5-06 I had built and that one will stay with me till the end , as to an over 30-06 if I ever see a reason again it’ll be a 338-06 . On the 308 or 06 cases I’ll always prefer a 338 over a 35 cal . Just my ALWAYS biased opinion !
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    Quote Originally Posted by MT Gianni View Post
    I am still wondering how in the world the 260 Remington failed and the 6.5 creedmore is how with lesser ballistics. Must be marketing as it is tough to beat a cartridge with a military case as a base. The 338 federal by all such math would beat the 8.6 but logic has never driven sales. Both are inferior to the 358.
    I agree...same caliber to me. I'll never buy an 8.6 I'd rather have a 338 win, 338 rum, or Lapua if I needed a 338.

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    AR platform.... that's the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMagShooter View Post
    AR platform.... that's the difference.
    That makes sense and the only reason I'd consider the round with any degree of usefulness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigMagShooter View Post
    AR platform.... that's the difference.
    Yet the Ar runs the 308 and should run the 6.5/08 aka 260 Remington and 338/08 aka 338 Federal just as easily and with better ballistics and an easier to find case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John McCorkle View Post
    Well, got to visit with Kevin brittingham from "Q" today at our local gun shop. They have developed a new bolt action design that is fantastic called "the fix". Super light weight... fantastic design. Pricey but fantastic.

    Also up and coming is the 8.6 creedmoor. These guys were on the design team that worked on the 300 blk. This is the same concept but in a larger platform. Shorten the case and neck up a 6.5 creedmoor to .338 caliber and you can shoot heavies for hunting ranges very well. The design goes to SAAMI in January...and once that has cleared production. I think it'll wind up being a great cast caliber for short barrels and hunting distance. 300 blk is great for casting and I expect this to do well too.

    Interested to see how it develops and what the next few years turns out for this little round.

    Anyone else looked into this yet?

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    What was old is new again , something very similar is listed in my elderly Ctgs of the world book , believe they used the 7BR brass necked up to 338 shooting a 300 gr match bullet subsonic might even been called the 338 whisper.
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    Kit Badger on YouTube did a little review on the 8.6, looks interesting.
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    It doesn't seem like that'd be enough case capacity to be terribly useful, when even the .308 based .33 and up rounds can run a bit out of it. Even my 9.3x57 is still a special purpose closer range round even with the old 57mm case's capacity. There might be a reason why the .318WR, .35Wh, and 9.3x62 are all so close in capacity and have proved so useful for more than a century.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MT Gianni View Post
    I am still wondering how in the world the 260 Remington failed and the 6.5 creedmore is how with lesser ballistics. Must be marketing as it is tough to beat a cartridge with a military case as a base. The 338 federal by all such math would beat the 8.6 but logic has never driven sales. Both are inferior to the 358.
    The difference between the ballistics of the 260 Rem/6.5 Creedmoor and even the 6.5x55 is really pretty small and probably insignificant for hunting. I think the big difference is that Hornady loads match grade ammunition for the Creedmoor and that has been the path to its success. That has opened up long range competition to people that don't want to reload.
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