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Thread: Bullseye instead of Unique in 30-06

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    Bullseye instead of Unique in 30-06

    My first (known) major whoopsie in my reloading career.

    I planned on putting 11 grains of Unique behind a 160 grain cast bullet with a gas check as a reduced recoil load. I accidentally put in 11 grains of bullseye instead...

    From what I read, 8 grains of Bullseye is a comfortable small game load in the 06 with a similar bullet, but I canít find anything about max loads. I made a bunch of these and if they are safe to shoot, Iíd like to shoot them. I have a feeling they will lead like crazy, but can anyone tell me if these are safe to shoot? What is your biggest charge in the 06 with Bullseye?

    Thanks for the help.

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    Why not pull them all, save the powder for the right loads, and not risk damage to your life, limb, firearm, and others around you? While this forum is an excellent resource, I'm not sure you should entrust it to a decision such as this. Stay safe and welcome to the forum!
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    I shoot 12 grains of BE in my 375 H&H. 13 is maximum.

    Put more succinctly, pull your 11 grain loads so you and your rifle don’t get hurt

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    In the cast bullet manual(#3) Loads of 13-13.5 grs of Red Dot and 700X which are max recommended for 170 gr and show pressures in the 35K range. RD and BE track pretty close on pressure and velocity and 700x is in the same speed range. I realize I'm doing some extrapolating here but I personally would not hesitate to fire 11 grs of BE behind a 160 gr bullet in a 3006, what you do is up to you.
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    Better safe than sorry.

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    The M1919 Guard cartridge for the '06 was 9 grains of Bullseye with the M1906 150-grain FMJ bullet.
    With a cast bullet of similar weight such as the Ideal #308241 or Accurate 31-155D 8 grains is about the max before accuracy fails due to leading. I would pull the 11 grain loads, as all you are going to do is lead ypurbarrel severely!
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    I will say I used 6.6 gr in my 30/30 with the 160 gr Lee and not have any problems.

    It actually shot well, but high @ 50 yards.
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    Pull the rounds and consider it penance for your mistake.

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    After working up some other bullseye loads with the same projectile, I agree 11 grains is too potent. I will pull them. Thanks for the input.

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    Rubbish. Ed Harris used to recommend 13 grains of Red Dot, which is even faster than Bullseye, for gas checked bullets up to 200 grains. It was known as "The Load", and was recommended for the .30-06, .308, .303 British, and even the Mosin 7.62x54.

    http://www.hensleygibbs.com/edharris...The%20Load.htm

    Shoot 'em.

    BTW I've done The Load for a K-31, just for grins. Not a rifle I want or need a reduced load for, so I only loaded 20 rounds. No leading.

    13 grains is by no means a pipsqeak load, but if you want a powder for subsonic loads, Red Dot is it, IMHO. I use it for reduced rifle loads from .22 Hornet on up.
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    I think I would follow the advice given by Outpost75 which has always been very good advice.
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    FROM LYMAN CAST BULLET HANDBOOK #3

    For 175 grain 311291 lists 10.5 to 13.5 of Red Dot.

    Now Red Dot is only a tad slower than BE, and the OP says he's loaded 150 grain cast WITH A GAS CHECK over 11 grains.

    There's nothing wrong with that load, shoot them!


    BTW, years ago, Ed Harris also did some work with the 30-06 with 150 grain FULL METAL JACKET, CRIMPED with 8 grains of Bullseye, which ran right at 1000fps.

    Remembering that the friction coefficient of lead is much lower than jacketed, with a 3 grain increase in the powder load, I honestly cannot see a problem with the OP's load.

    Guess I ought not use 12 of 700X with the 165RD in the ought-six either,,,,,,.
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    With fast shotgun or pistol powder, you are burning 100% of the powder before the bullet exits the barrel so the imparted chemical energy of the powder will be converted into kinetic energy of the bullet. I've tried powders anywhere as fast as Titewad to as slow as 800X and Power Pistol and 10-13 grains of powder gives roughly the same velocity with the same bullet.

    10-13 grains of Bullseye will work just fine. You will certainly not exceed 55,000 psi.

    Quickload says you'll get around 25,000 psi peak and about 1650 fps in a 24" barrel with Bullseys compared to 22,000 psi and 1580 fps with 11g Unique.

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    Did you have more than one container of powder on the bench? I learned a LONG time ago not to do that......
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Abbreviations used in Reloading

BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check