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    +1 for everything Lloyd has said. I normally don't buy the "new fad" because I want something a bit different. My go to hunting rifle is a pre 64 Win in 300 H&H. If I want to be a little more different, I will use my 350 Rem mag or maybe my 358 Norma. For a small game rifle, my favorite is a 92 Win in 25/20. The rifle I really want is a Win 92 in 256 Win and have gathered the pieces to have one. I don't shoot beyond 400yds at animals and am not interested in long range competition so the new fad of 1000yd sniping or hunting is not my thing. I have a 270, 243,223, 308, 416Rem,45/70, 22H and KH, 30Rem, 220 Swift, 35 Rem, 7.62x54 and 32/20. If I find a 6.5x55 or a 7x57 for a decent price, it would probably follow me home. Not because I need to fill any gaps but just because I want one. And worse yet, I do not like the AR platform. My 223s are a Rem 700 V and a TC. Anyway, the 6.5 Creedmoor does not do anything for me but isn't it great that they make something for just about everyone. I will have a 256 in a 92 Win even though it will never be produced by any gun maker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lefty o View Post
    like i said, come people just have to complain about things.
    yep....

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    I dont care about shooting 1000 yards, and I sure as heck wouldn't shoot at an animal at 500. Probably, half that. But I still bought a 6.5 Creedmoor. Why? Because I like it, and have always wanted a 6.5 of some sort. I see no reason why the 6.5 wont achieve at least modest lasting popularity as the 7mm-08 has done. Accuracy is excellent, case life is good, recoil is mild. Whats not to like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FergusonTO35 View Post
    I dont care about shooting 1000 yards, and I sure as heck wouldn't shoot at an animal at 500. Probably, half that. But I still bought a 6.5 Creedmoor. Why? Because I like it, and have always wanted a 6.5 of some sort. I see no reason why the 6.5 wont achieve at least modest lasting popularity as the 7mm-08 has done. Accuracy is excellent, case life is good, recoil is mild. Whats not to like?
    Would you have bought one if not all the cool kids were buying them?
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    nothing wrong with buying one if you like it. Just gets a bit old when some internet expert wants to think hes somehow smarter then the rest for buying it. Heck if I had to justify what I buy id have a 22lr an 06 and a 12guage in the house and would never have bought another gun.
    Quote Originally Posted by FergusonTO35 View Post
    I dont care about shooting 1000 yards, and I sure as heck wouldn't shoot at an animal at 500. Probably, half that. But I still bought a 6.5 Creedmoor. Why? Because I like it, and have always wanted a 6.5 of some sort. I see no reason why the 6.5 wont achieve at least modest lasting popularity as the 7mm-08 has done. Accuracy is excellent, case life is good, recoil is mild. Whats not to like?

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    It's there some thing a 6.5 Creedmore will do that a .260 Remington won't? Even in the same gun platform?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundarstick View Post
    It's there some thing a 6.5 Creedmore will do that a .260 Remington won't? Even in the same gun platform?
    Yes it will feed the very long bullets used by the long range competitors out of a 308 length mag. With the .260 using the same long bullets the mag runs out of space.

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    yup it surely does that. No argument that its a better round out past 500 yards for a paper puncher. But bottom line for a hunting gun a 260 is a better choice. If I shot 1000 yard comp id probably buy one myself and stock pile some brass. But neither of those rounds are valid hunting rounds out a over 500 yards. Neither will shoot the eyeball out of a deer at even 400 yards without some hold over figured in. Guess to me if I have to dial in 10 clicks of elevation 2 more isn't a real big deal. Only time I could see it to be valid concern is if your way out there so far that you run out of adjustment. Or if you truly are a competitive shooter that needs every advantage he can buy to win. I guess my point is that someone going out and buying a ruger American chambered in it isn't that type to begin with and would probably be better served with a 260 or better yet a 308. I laughed one day when I was in the local gunshop. A guy bought a 6.5 American and asked the gun shop owner what the best advice be for ammo capable of taking a deer at 800 yards. the gunshop owner said his best investment would be a good pair of boots to walk up to 200 to 300 yards from the deer. There lies the problem with these hyped up rounds. Guys buy them because the gun writers say theres some magic in them and they can about point the gun in the general direction and the bullet will find the spot. . The magic is between your ears and in your trigger finger not in whats stamped on your barrel.
    Quote Originally Posted by M-Tecs View Post
    Yes it will feed the very long bullets used by the long range competitors out of a 308 length mag. With the .260 using the same long bullets the mag runs out of space.

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    Lioyd, your last sentence is golden.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas by God View Post
    Lioyd, your last sentence is golden.

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    Bingo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho45guy View Post
    Would you have bought one if not all the cool kids were buying them?
    Same reason I spent $500.00 to rebarrel my Howa 1500 into the hopelessly archaic and unhip .257 Roberts, and I don't even use +P data! Because I wanted to. I'd been wanting a non-magnum bolt action in 6.5 or 7mm caliber for quite some time. Came across a Remington 700 ADL for a bit more than $400.00. I liked the rifle and figgered that every little bit of inherent accuracy will help, so home it went. Cheap sporters don't score any points with the Creedmoor nerds. Just look at any discussion board or FB group and you'll see guys boasting about how many thousands they have tied up in one rifle, how they sort their brass by running it under an electron microscope, and so on. I really got their blood pressure up by posting pics of my first reloads, which used politically incorrect IMR 8208 powder and untumbled, range pickup brass.

    Yes, I know the .260 has some advantages. I remember all the hoopla about it in 1997. They are completely irrelevant to me because I am not shooting at 500+ yards and all my rifle ammo is loaded mild to mid-range. With that in mind, I say the 6.5 Creedmoor is an overall better choice for my specific use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M-Tecs View Post
    Yes it will feed the very long bullets used by the long range competitors out of a 308 length mag. With the .260 using the same long bullets the mag runs out of space.

    The 260 will run the long bullets even faster than the creed, but most are throated for a Spitzer bullet as not those long ogive bullets. A 260 just needs to be throated appropriately to kiss the lands, blow it out to AI and the CM really eats dust, whilst still fitting in the short action magazine. Would anyone be surprised to find out there are long range competitors using this very 260AI set up over the CM? Just a ploy to sell guns and ammunition, not a bad thing, but that's what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundarstick View Post
    The 260 will run the long bullets even faster than the creed, but most are throated for a Spitzer bullet as not those long ogive bullets. A 260 just needs to be throated appropriately to kiss the lands, blow it out to AI and the CM really eats dust, whilst still fitting in the short action magazine. Would anyone be surprised to find out there are long range competitors using this very 260AI set up over the CM? Just a ploy to sell guns and ammunition, not a bad thing, but that's what it is.
    Running the long bullets in the .260 for magazine feeding requires the bullet be seated in the donut area of the neck. This creates issues since most competitors don't want to inside neck ream. They much prefer to outside neck turn. The 6.5 Creedmoor popularity is due to the marketing of the PRS shooting on TV. https://www.shootingillustrated.com/...it-so-popular/

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    looking at that article it shows the 308 only 4 inches lower at 800 yards. Anyone else grasp the reality that that's only one click of elevation more and wouldn't even matter on a center of rib cage shot on a deer at 800 yards!!! Also only one inch more wind drift! At 800 yards measuring one inch is like trying to measure two different one hole 5 shot groups at a 100 yards. Very few people alive that are a good enough shot well enough to be able to call 800 yard wind drift of only an inch. To even measure it youd need your gun bolted down solid and a perfectly consistant wind speed. Lot to do about nothing. Let me say this. If your a COMPETITIVE 1000 yard shooter and are posting here singing the praises of your creedmore raise your hand. Because if your a causal shooter or a hunter like I said this is much to do about NOTHING! IF long range hunting is your thing the 308 260 and the Creedmore are marginal at best. Shooting even deer out past 500 yards under field conditions is the realm of the magnums in my opinion. If you insist on doing it with a 6.5 do the deer a favor and get yourself a 264, 6.5 nos or a 6.5x300wby. 300fps of velocity means more in the hunting field at those ranges then an inch difference in windage or bullet placement ever will. If you love your 6.5 for 300 yard deer hunting have at it but don't try to convince me it does a thing more then about every other round over 22 cal chambered in a bolt action deer rifle. Its just another 243 257roberts 260 708 308 class round. matter of fact its toward the bottom of that list. Deer will not drop when they see the caliber wrote on your ammo box.
    Quote Originally Posted by M-Tecs View Post
    Running the long bullets in the .260 for magazine feeding requires the bullet be seated in the donut area of the neck. This creates issues since most competitors don't want to inside neck ream. They much prefer to outside neck turn. The 6.5 Creedmoor popularity is due to the marketing of the PRS shooting on TV. https://www.shootingillustrated.com/...it-so-popular/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Smale View Post
    Deer will not drop when they see the caliber wrote on your ammo box.
    No, but they will when you place the shot exactly where it is supposed to go. Which is why I stick to mild cartridges that are easy to shoot in rifles that I like.
    Currently casting and loading: .32 Auto, .380 Auto, .38 Special, 9X19, .357 Magnum, .257 Roberts, 6.5 Creedmoor, .30 WCF, .308 WCF, .45-70.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd Smale View Post
    looking at that article it shows the 308 only 4 inches lower at 800 yards. Anyone else grasp the reality that that's only one click of elevation more and wouldn't even matter on a center of rib cage shot on a deer at 800 yards!!! Also only one inch more wind drift! At 800 yards measuring one inch is like trying to measure two different one hole 5 shot groups at a 100 yards. Very few people alive that are a good enough shot well enough to be able to call 800 yard wind drift of only an inch. To even measure it youd need your gun bolted down solid and a perfectly consistant wind speed. Lot to do about nothing. Let me say this. If your a COMPETITIVE 1000 yard shooter and are posting here singing the praises of your creedmore raise your hand. Because if your a causal shooter or a hunter like I said this is much to do about NOTHING! IF long range hunting is your thing the 308 260 and the Creedmore are marginal at best. Shooting even deer out past 500 yards under field conditions is the realm of the magnums in my opinion. If you insist on doing it with a 6.5 do the deer a favor and get yourself a 264, 6.5 nos or a 6.5x300wby. 300fps of velocity means more in the hunting field at those ranges then an inch difference in windage or bullet placement ever will. If you love your 6.5 for 300 yard deer hunting have at it but don't try to convince me it does a thing more then about every other round over 22 cal chambered in a bolt action deer rifle. Its just another 243 257roberts 260 708 308 class round. matter of fact its toward the bottom of that list. Deer will not drop when they see the caliber wrote on your ammo box.
    No, no, no, and NO! Drop and drift comparisons are listed in MOA, not inches! That's 32 inches less drop and 8 inches less drift, in a cartridge with 4% more muzzle energy and 24% less recoil.

    You seem hell-bent on denigrating this cartridge. Let me point out a few realities:

    1. "New" cartridges, especially cartridges designed for long range competition, are often based on the answer to the question "what are the best bullets available in this caliber?" When that question is answered, and the best bullet won't work in an existing gun because the twist is too slow or the OAL is too long for the magazine, a new cartridge is developed that addresses those issues.

    2. Many, MANY more rounds are fired each year at inanimate objects than are fired at living creatures.

    3. Almost every rifleman alive prefers (all other things being equal) more accuracy and less recoil.

    The 6.5 Creedmoor is able to take advantage of bullets that did not exist when the .260 Remington was introduced, and which will not work well in existing .260 Remington guns under many conditions.

    The issue is not "Should I dump my .308 or .260 or whatever for a 6.5 Creedmoor?" It's "What are the benefits of this cartridge over others that are available?"

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    Good points!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Idaho45guy View Post
    Would you have bought one if not all the cool kids were buying them?
    I bought one because I did't have one and the TC Compass was cheap....I mean inexpensive. Nothing magical. I kinda think every cartridge invented after the .30/06 is unnecessary, especially for the lower 48. All the banter about why one is so much better or worse than the other is simply a waste of time. But that's just me.

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    We really do start to squeeze apples in with the oranges when we speak hunting vs target usage. There are just so many variables at extended range, bullet performance at the velocity of impact being a biggie, not to mention what that animal can do between trigger pull and impact, that I have to start questioning my own hunger ethics. I limit my shots to under 400 yards at the extreme, but I'll take a 400 yard shot with my 22lr if all I have to do is mark steel! I replaced my 243 with a 260, then got into the Grendel because the rifle weighs about what my boots do, and will kill'em just as dead at 95% of the rangers I'm likely to get a shot. I like the 6.5 in all platforms, shoot what ya bring, but I would say the are 25 6.5 CM rifles on the rack rite now, to every 260,6.5x55, or 6.5 mag etcetcetc. My local pusher, I mean LGS, has a Grendel, a couple 260s, and a pot full of 6.5 CM on the rack.

    Some folks say anything invented after the 45-70 is just a waste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundarstick View Post
    Some folks say anything invented after the 45-70 is just a waste.
    anything invented after the 50-70 is a waste

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