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Thread: Shoulder stock for handgun, maybe?

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    I'm not a great one hand pistol shot. I always shoot two handed.

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    check into it being black powder it may not fall under batf rules

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    Shoulder stocked Blackpowder handguns are not considered "firearms" by the BATFE.
    State laws may differ.
    They are not in demand because they aren't fun to shoot IME/O.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas by God View Post
    Shoulder stocked Blackpowder handguns are not considered "firearms"
    Well almost, the feds don't care what kind of powder it shoots if it is a cartridge gun, a cap&ball would fall under the same rules (or no rules as the case may be) that muzzle loaders fall into. Pistols such as that Remington pictured are not cap&ball and are cartridge revolvers so likely the law would indeed apply -I certainly wouldn't want to argue the point with them. Now if that is an original made before 1898 (is 1898 right????) then MAYBE but then there is the obsolete cartridge wording in the rules too so even that may not do it.

    Considering the penalty and the fact that the feds don't play around or cut anyone any slack it's a good idea to ask them beforehand and take any internet advice, as the old saying goes, "with a grain of salt". I very seriously doubt that "but they told me on the internet it would be legal" would be a very effective defense!
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    As to reasoning for the desire for a shoulder stocked handgun ... wouldnt a 16 inch barreled carbine such as a trapper model lever or a singleshot such ad a 16 inch Encore be about as handy ... AND PERFECTLY LEGAL?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigted View Post
    As to reasoning for the desire for a shoulder stocked handgun ... wouldnt a 16 inch barreled carbine such as a trapper model lever or a singleshot such ad a 16 inch Encore be about as handy ... AND PERFECTLY LEGAL?

    :EDIT: Sorry, I misread your post.
    Last edited by oldred; 08-03-2018 at 07:51 AM. Reason: delete reply
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    I seriously doubt the BATF would care where you say you brace it and if it CAN be braced on the shoulder even if you are not shooting it just having it in your possession would get you an all expenses paid trip to a Government owned Grey Bar resort! A stock is a stock and it matters not how you claim you shoot it, you need not even be shooting it at all!


    i'm saying if you cut it off(note red line) , then you can bend the "stock" to fit your forearm. the shoulder is not required. it would be a brace not a stock.

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    This already exists in a legal iteration. It is called the USA 1 Shot.

    www.usa1shot.com and https://rsrstore.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by 500Linebaughbuck View Post


    i'm saying if you cut it off(note red line) , then you can bend the "stock" to fit your forearm. the shoulder is not required. it would be a brace not a stock.

    the Grey Bar resort, that one goes to memory bank!!!!
    Ok, somehow I completely missed that part before, don't see any reason why that wouldn't be legal.
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    Some people try to turn back their "odometers." Not me. I want people to know why I look this way. I've traveled a long way and some of the roads weren't paved.

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    Glad to see that Luger exception.

    But if it's ok for a Luger why not a 1911?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JWT View Post
    Glad to see that Luger exception.

    But if it's ok for a Luger why not a 1911?


    I saw a discussion on another forum that was about that very question. The consensus was, and one of the participants seemed well versed in the law, that it must be a rare collectable as pointed out in the last part,

    [such as original semiautomatic Mauser “Broomhandles” and Lugers, have been removed from the purview of the NFA as collectors’ items]

    with "collectors items" being the key here. These very rare and very expensive collectors pieces would not be likely at all to be used for any sort of crime and in fact are of much more value as non-use collector pieces than as shooters so it was deemed that while they did indeed fall into the physical description as per the law they actually posed little or no danger of being used in crimes but still retained a high value as collector and historical items thus they were exempted. The law also, as stated by "However certain stocked handguns SUCH AS original Mauser" clearly leaves open the option to also exempt other such stocked handguns as long as they are original and can be shown to have a significant collector value, obviously very few such handguns exist.

    So apparently the answer to the question of "But if it's ok for a Luger why not a 1911?" would be because it lacks significant collector value. I would think that if you could find a rare highly collectible ORIGINAL shoulder stocked 1911 (if such a beast could be found, and some were built) then you could apply for a collector exemption and possibly get one.
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