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Thread: Accuracy isnt king for me.

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    I just look at it as everyone owes it to themselves to know what their gun is capable of on the bench first and then transfer over to free handing it with the best grouping load. That way if groups open up the operator Knows it was their fault and can practice shooting instead of wondering if it was the firearm or ammo to blame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazoo View Post
    Thanks for all the replies. I havent considered that a tight shooting gun/ammo would be a psychological advantage.
    And a practical advantage. More you shoot the better you hit.

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    I donít fret too much over accuracy but I make sure I have enough. I get sub MOA out of my rifle with CBs or Iím not happy. My pistols I need at least 2Ē at 25 yards or better, my competition XDM does 1.58Ē on average at 25 yards so Iím more than happy with that. Accuracy isnít the most important thing but itís oretty darn!

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    Well, I finally built a shooting bench. The picnic table I used to use, gave up a few years ago so i've been doing without, shooting off of vehicles and the like. Prone off a rest is not to be sneezed at for accuracy, but its not nearly as convenient as a table. Now I can test loads properly.

    In my original post, I think folks got the impression i didnt test my loads for accuracy... not so. I just dont chase the accuracy. As long as I can get accuracy equivalent to factory ammo in the same power range im content.

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    I never felt the need for anything better than 1.5 MOA. Never once had the need to shoot beyond 300 yards and that includes dall sheep hunting, caribou, and some really long shots at blacktail deer on Kodiak Island.
    To many hunters are more worried about what their rifle will do than what they can do with the rifle. For starters they need to get off the bench and stand on there own 2 feet and practice.
    Even if a rifle can shoot 2 MOA at 400 yards that means you will hit within 4 inches of where you aimed.
    Now varmint hunting is a different ball game altogether.
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    If a gun can shoot about 2-3 MOA, I'm generally pretty happy. I tend to hold newer guns to a higher standard since guaranteed 1 MOA accuracy seems to be the new standard for most rifles. Milsurps get a pass unless accuracy just doesn't exist period. (My M1895 Nagant comes to mind. It shoots pie tin sized groups at point blank range).
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    I was testing loads the other day, I got a 1 5/8" group with my winchester 30-30, 31141 reload. Factory federal 170 grain did 1 3/8 group on the same session. Both of those at 70 yards. Im pretty happy with that.

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    I only REALLY care about hunting accuracy from field positions. But to get there, I'll spend the time at the bench to get the rifle under 1 Moa out to 400 yards. It's only after I'm confident in the rifle and the load that I feel it's worth putting in the time to get good with it slung up sitting and prone or off the bipod or sticks. For me to get really comfortable with a hunting rig it takes 100 rounds or more from field positions, and I'm not wasting the resources on those 100 rounds until I have a load I can believe in. I never work up loads at 100 yards. I use 250 and 400. If the rifle will stay under Moa at those ranges, 100 yards will take care of itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bazoo View Post
    I was testing loads the other day, I got a 1 5/8" group with my winchester 30-30, 31141 reload. Factory federal 170 grain did 1 3/8 group on the same session. Both of those at 70 yards. Im pretty happy with that.
    Boy, I sure would be. 2 or 3in with a 30-30 will take a deer at the range the lever was designed for and that is good enough for me.
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    The sights on my winchester 94 arent really conducive to the best accuracy. However, im determined to use them instead of replacing them. The round front bead, and the round rear sight notch doesnt light up real good the way I like. A front sight blade and a square notch is much better for my eyes.

    I have it sighted 2" high at 70, so that it'll be point blank out to 125 or 150 even. The reloads I was testing, I had 1 group that was right of the factory load, but the same height. However, the 1 5/8 group, was centered but low. Should be as easy as a sight elevation adjustment between my reload and the factory Im working with.
    Last edited by Bazoo; 09-17-2018 at 09:17 PM.

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    After you achieve your greatest accuracy, there is little or no cost difference in loading good ammo or the most accurate ammo.
    The only difference is the experimentation and knowledge to develope the better loads.

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BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
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