I love Unique but hate the way it meters in a measure. Years ago I switched to AA#5 which gives me similar load densities and velocities with much better metering.
I love Unique but hate the way it meters in a measure. Years ago I switched to AA#5 which gives me similar load densities and velocities with much better metering.
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I've been using 6.0 grains of Universal under 150-160 grain lead anything in my 357 Mags. It goes at or just above 1000fps from a 6" barrel revolver.
Nice load. Accurate, with enough ooomph to tell it's a 357, but no ear-splitting crack, or uncivilized behavior.
I began shooting the .357 when Skelton was still alive. I loaded 13.5 grains of Hercules 2400 in .38 Special cases with a Lyman 358156 gas check linotype bullet, using the _lower_ crimping groove as per Skelton's guidance to provide additional case capacity. Obviously one would not want to use such a load in a .38 Special weapon, but the high seated bullet offered a clear safety check. This load shot better in my Models 19 and 28 S&W revolvers than I could hold.
As I became more affluent, I began using this same load in .357 cases. I could tell no difference.
I might mention that after two decades of virtually exclusive use of this load in both .38 and .357 brass, the Model 19's cylinder axis pin became stretched, battered, or whatever to where the cylinder became difficult to close. I had the pin replaced and switched to Skelton's load of 11.0 grains 2400 with the aforementioned bullet. Another two decades have since passed, with no further issues.
I ran 6 gr Unique under the Lyman 358430 201 gr bullet for 1,031fps avg with a Standard Deviation of 8 using my 4.2" GP-100. Very accurate.
Bob
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Didn't know Skelton ever mentioned an 11 gr. load. Was it with .38 brass and 358156 bullet? Did he mention velocity or such?
my go to load has been 6gr. unique with the 358429 bullet in .38 cases. I loaded that for police depts. they had .357 guns but the city fathers would not let them use mag ammo. I used .38 brass for myself because I could buy 3-4 hundred .38 cases for the price of 100 .357mag. as time went on .357 brass got cheaper and more plentiful. but then .38 got cheaper so I still use .38 most of the time.
Come fall, or whenever it cools off, I'm casting up a big batch of Lee 158 RF's for my .38 and a couple of Pard's .357's. I'll be using .357 brass.
My plan was to drop 6 grains of Universal (or Unique, whichever I have the most) for 950-1000fps out of a 4" barrel (one is a 4" 19 and the other is an older 4" Dan Wesson). I sort of SWAGGED that load from gun rags and the fact that 9.0 grains of Universal gives right on 1000fps out of my .45 Colt with a 270SAA out of a 5-1/2" barrel. Brian Pierce says this load churns up 20,000PSI or so in a .45 Colt so I figured the 6.0 grain load would run around the same pressure.
Now the weird part, when I cross referenced my guess with real world data, Hogdon lists 6.2 grains as max for 1247fps out of a 10" barrel (I guess they tailored their data to all the TC contender guys) at 33,400CUP. Alliant lists 6.0 grains Unique as MAX at 1034fps out of a 6" barrel (they don't list pressure). Both list these loads with a 158 Cast Semi Wad Cutter.
I was thinking 6.0 grains of Unique or Universal in .357 Brass with either a 158SWC or a Lee 158RF would have been a real "easy on the gun +P.38" type of load, but according to the manuals, these are fire breathing top end .357 loads!
What's the deal?
Accurate arms #5 , 6.1 grains , 357 magnum Starline case, 155 grain SWC GC (Lyman 358156) sized .358 , in my 1971 Ruger Blackhawk , 15 shots went into a group 3/4 inch wide and 1 inch high . 25 yards .
You might want to give AA #5 a good look see.....It's a new powder to me but at the moment ...I'm Impressed with it ! I've been loading Unique for 50 years....but in the 357 mag. this AA #5 might give Unique a run .
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An older 2005 ALLIANT Manual lists a 158 swc 6.8 Unique/1295/33,900 psi as max so your 6.0 load will be very easy on the gun. With 34KPSI loads now being max for .357's IMO the max are not hard on good .357's.I was thinking 6.0 grains of Unique or Universal in .357 Brass with either a 158SWC or a Lee 158RF would have been a real "easy on the gun +P.38" type of load, but according to the manuals, these are fire breathing top end .357 loads!
What's the deal?
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Maynard, I don't use .357 brass, but do kee the chambers clean on all my revolvers.
Groo here
What many miss is the 38 spec and the 357mag were the same length cylinder and neer the same length oal.
Keith designed the "Keith boolet" to fill the cylinder [they were the shorter ones] and allow more powder room.
If you check the oal you will find the 357mag and the 38 with the keith boolet are the same.
So the "Keith load " and the 357 load are not that far off.....
If you want heavy "magnum" 38 loads be sure to pick a boolet that seats far out of the case.
Usually found with 2 crimp groove cast boolets.
I posted this a while back but this looks like it might fit here. The load is 6 grains of Unique, standard CCI small pistol and a LEE 158 SWC GC with Lee tumble lube in a 357 case. I fired a cylinder from three Security Sixes across the Chrony. I might play with other loads but this is my standard load till I find something better.Also tried in a Taurus 605 with a 2" barrel, it was 820 fps and quite a handful so I cut that one back.
2 3/4" 924 fps
4" 948 fps
6" 985fps
Dave
I put a new shorter front sight on the miroku 92 and am taking some Skeeter loads and will try my usual six oclock hold, maybe I'll get a better group. Will try some 358429s too. Would like to try some jacketed 357s but like to clean the barrel first. Maybe drag the chronograph out.
BTW, does anyone know what the pressure is for the Skeeter load? I've heard around 30,000cup, but think it may be somewhat higher.
I told the late gunsmith, Randy Ketchum, in ~1999 that I had shortened some 357 mag brass to fit in 38 specials for high pressure experimentation. He responded that 38 special brass was plenty strong. I realized immediately he was right. 38 special brass does not have a weak extractor groove like 270 Winchester, so there will never be loose primer pockets.
This is Remington Rolling block No. 5 ethier a 1905 or 1910 version.
I bought it off a gunshow table. The seller did not know the cartridge identity or even the bore size.
It turned out to be 38 special chamber.
For 357 magnum the max charge Alliant listed for 158 gr JHP was 6.7 gr Bullseye 33,100 psi
In this rifle I have shot 11 gr Bullseye with 38 special brass.
The brass does not fail, but the small rifle magnum primer does at that charge.
When the gas leaks past the side of the primer, it ruins the brass and flame cuts the breech face as well. Too late then to sneak up on max.
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I shoot 11gr 2400 under commercial 160gr swc in .38spl cases in my M-15 S&W. It is a good load, needs a firm crimp.
Depends, how many psi are in a cup?
BP | Bronze Point | IMR | Improved Military Rifle | PTD | Pointed |
BR | Bench Rest | M | Magnum | RN | Round Nose |
BT | Boat Tail | PL | Power-Lokt | SP | Soft Point |
C | Compressed Charge | PR | Primer | SPCL | Soft Point "Core-Lokt" |
HP | Hollow Point | PSPCL | Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" | C.O.L. | Cartridge Overall Length |
PSP | Pointed Soft Point | Spz | Spitzer Point | SBT | Spitzer Boat Tail |
LRN | Lead Round Nose | LWC | Lead Wad Cutter | LSWC | Lead Semi Wad Cutter |
GC | Gas Check |