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Thread: Front sight for a Zoli/Lyman .58 rifled musket?

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    Front sight for a Zoli/Lyman .58 rifled musket?

    A good friend picked up a nice .58 cal with plans to use it for deer hunting. It shoots consistantly high and it appears 'Bubba' filed down the front sight? The front sight looks to be soldered on, which I can do. 'Track' didn't list anything and I will look at my Dixie catalog when I get home. Any help locating a front sight would be 'GREATLY APPRECIATED'! Thanks, hc18flyer

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    Quote Originally Posted by hc18flyer View Post
    A good friend picked up a nice .58 cal with plans to use it for deer hunting. It shoots consistantly high and it appears 'Bubba' filed down the front sight? The front sight looks to be soldered on, which I can do. 'Track' didn't list anything and I will look at my Dixie catalog when I get home. Any help locating a front sight would be 'GREATLY APPRECIATED'! Thanks, hc18flyer
    I think Bubba must have worked in the Zoli factory - mine looks the same - gonna throw the front sight and cut a dovetail in for a decent one !

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    Same thing here. Ripped off the front sight and the back one. replaced the Back with a semi buck horn leaf then filed it down and opened it up with a chainsaw file, Front sight replaced with a tall brass one from TOW. had to file dove tails front and back on the barrel but it shoots to p.o.a now. These Zoils all seem to shoot high. Mine was high and left about 12 inch at 50yds. It loves round balls and patch.

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    'Dixie Gun Works' lists a tall Civil War replacement front sight for round barrels that solders on. I will call there tomorrow.

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    You should take a fine sight for close range.....in other words ,post in the lowest part of the V,not level with the top......that way ,you could reduce the elevation as the enemy advanced,without touching the sights...............Incidentally,most of the Zouaves Ive seen ,the front sight seems to be spot welded on.........but the original sight would have been brazed,so not easy to remove.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john.k View Post
    You should take a fine sight for close range.....in other words ,post in the lowest part of the V,not level with the top......that way ,you could reduce the elevation as the enemy advanced,without touching the sights...............Incidentally,most of the Zouaves Ive seen ,the front sight seems to be spot welded on.........but the original sight would have been brazed,so not easy to remove.
    Mine is a mississippi rifle .....fine sight ? when I wuz 20 that woulda worked - cant see them little fine sights anymore - needs a flat blade at least 1/8" wide to see it !!
    Its a good round ball shooter - have had no joy with minies - twist is too slow at 1:72 but some blokes tell me they do it ok - dunno how or why ?

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    I have what you need ,PM me/thanks Ed

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    While those of you with Zolis may actually have a "bubba'd front sight" - it is very possible that you particular rifle was sued for N-SSA competition. Relay distances used to be 25 and 50 yards. It's been years since I shot N-SSA, but when I was shooting it, I used a nice Remington Zouave (not marked) that I bought for $65 used in about 1963 or 64. For killing lay pigeons on a "pigeon board" or shooting small having clay flower pots, a wide variety of loads and minie balls were used - the 575-213 styles as well as the lighter weight semi wad cutter "minies". Several that I knew had molds for hollow base "ash cans" - hollow base flat nose indies - used in the "stake chopping" event. More than likely, that's why some of your sights ay have been altered.

    I replaced the original barrel on my Zouave a couple of years ago. The bore was always oversize on it and I found a Zoli at a very decent price - used the barrel from it to reburial mine and parted out the rest of the Zoli. The front sight on the Zoli barrel had been changed out - IIRC - those sights are actually dovetailed in. Mine has a replacement flat blade sight in the dovetail now that was typical of those used to replace original sights for competition years ago.

    If you are looking for an original style replacement sight for a Zoli - check with S & S Firearms or Lodgewood Manufacturing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bedbugbilly View Post
    While those of you with Zolis may actually have a "bubba'd front sight" - it is very possible that you particular rifle was sued for N-SSA competition. Relay distances used to be 25 and 50 yards. It's been years since I shot N-SSA, but when I was shooting it, I used a nice Remington Zouave (not marked) that I bought for $65 used in about 1963 or 64. For killing lay pigeons on a "pigeon board" or shooting small having clay flower pots, a wide variety of loads and minie balls were used - the 575-213 styles as well as the lighter weight semi wad cutter "minies". Several that I knew had molds for hollow base "ash cans" - hollow base flat nose indies - used in the "stake chopping" event. More than likely, that's why some of your sights ay have been altered.

    I replaced the original barrel on my Zouave a couple of years ago. The bore was always oversize on it and I found a Zoli at a very decent price - used the barrel from it to reburial mine and parted out the rest of the Zoli. The front sight on the Zoli barrel had been changed out - IIRC - those sights are actually dovetailed in. Mine has a replacement flat blade sight in the dovetail now that was typical of those used to replace original sights for competition years ago.

    If you are looking for an original style replacement sight for a Zoli - check with S & S Firearms or Lodgewood Manufacturing.
    Mine (mississippi rifle) looks like it came from the factory like it is - theres either a little blind dovetail milled in from the left hand side or a blind flat and the front sight soldered in - rear sight is in a dovetail so that end is easy fixed. I am partway through making ladder rear sight for it (unfinished project). Its a good shooter with round ball and I have a mold - maybe some experimenting with minies might get it going ???

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    all civil war rifles were made to shoot high. as pointed out there are many different weights mini balls. the heaver the higher they shoot. I have seen the front sight base slotted and blades put in.

    there was a sharper shooters sight that slipped over the front sight and clamped with a thumb screw. dixie had repros. I have one it works well. in fact the stock is relived in the patch box to store it.

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    Older military rifles in general were made to shoot high. All of mine do. Probably due to the fact that if you raise your sight picture, it covers the object you are trying to shoot so it's easier to lower your point of aim so that you can still see what you are aiming at.
    Aim small, miss small!

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    cut it flat at the top of the sight block. cut a groove front to back soider in a tall pcs of brass stock. then file as needed. or get a dovetail sight from s & s firearms.
    also you can get a blank L shaped rear sightone long leg i short leg on the L from S &S the you can drill a peep or cut a v in ea for diffent ranges I shoot N-SSA so mmp peeps are 50 and 100 yrds.
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    "cut it flat at the top of the sight block. cut a groove front to back soider in a tall pcs of brass stock. then file as needed."
    That is better yet, I can get a piece of brass from a knife maker and solder it in.
    Thanks, Tom

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    That's C.W. Heckuva guy

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    That's C.W. Heckuva guy
    Will you be at the Vets ahoot. We are going Thursday night. If I don't need to stop and rest first.
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