toyota

[Smoke4320]

Rancher1913 is there a chance the electric motor part is burnt up. If so tou could probably get a winding company to rewind
Just a thought

[rancher1913]

the way I understand it, the compressor locks up if it gets a whiff of any refrigerant other than the special toyota stuff, and takes the electric motor out as well as most of the dash components. we got lucky and cought it before it trashed the whole system. funny thing is nobody but toyota service people have touched the car.

[skeettx]

Not trying to get you to hype the product, but to ask them to stand by
what they said they stood for.
What other numbers to you have so far??
Give it a try
For customer inquiries, please contact the Toyota Customer Experience Center at 1-800-331-4331,

[Lloyd Smale]

yup maybe in the 70 and 80s Toyotas were more reliable then the big three. today the only thing I Toyota has that a chev or ford does is buyers willing to pay full price for them and higher repair bills for the same failure as the domestic brands. 200000 miles is routine today for about any manufacture. Bottom line is if your driving ANY car or truck with 150-200k on it and haven't had a lick of trouble. Havent had to put a starter, alternator, ball joint, tie rod end ect replaced I sure don't want to put my grandkids in it and head out across country tommarow. I guess you can either maintain it properly or run it into the ground to the point its unsafe. Kind of like the guy that was at the local repair shop when I was having my tires rotated. He had an old corolla that had a tie rod fall right off going down the road. He said it had 180k on it and that was the first time something broke! Got to wonder what else is about to fall off going down the road. Big difference in claiming your motor lasted 200k without a penny being spent then an entire car. Anyone that knows me knows I don't like Fords. But that is just a personal preference. There as good as any chev or ram or Toyota on the road.

Then we can look at it another way. Even if your Toyota pickup lasted 200k and my chev did the same and I had to spend 500 bucks on a starter you didn't. Factor in that my chev (or ford or ram) gets at least 3 mpg better fuel economy and id bet the gas savings would have paid for 3 starters. ME? I dump them at no more then a 100k. I let someone else deal with the NORMAL wear and tear parts that WILL fail no matter who made them. One thing is for sure. Anything mechanical can and will eventually wear out whether an American put it together or a jap. Like Smoke said. Doesn't matter what brand you buy things can fail. Id bet Toyota of late has had as many or more recalls for safety issues then any of the big three. If you like your Toyota, don't mind getting 3mpg less gas mileage and have 5-10k more to spend on a comparable new truck that's 2 or 3 years behind in technology then buy one. Me I see LOTS of rusty OLD American pickups still driving down the road.

The idiotic notion that all Fords are bad and all Toyotas are good makes no sense. I have a 1997 Ford F 150, replaced air conditioning compressor at 152,000 miles and an alternator at 163,000 miles. Runs perfectly with 188,000 miles. I will take that any day.

[Lloyd Smale]

total bs. I could probably find a chart that rates chev vegas or yugos as being reliable. heres one that rates chev at the top and Toyota at the bottom. http://www.jdpower.com/cars/articles...iable%20Trucks

The worst Toyota is the Tacoma, but I have no doubt it is above average when compared to most non-Toyotas in general. Interesting to see KIA sitting at #3 and Honda down to #9. Chevy/GMC looks like a train wreck. KIA has come a long way. Buick is the biggest surprise. So Toyota is the most reliable Brand and the Tacoma is the least reliable Toyota and the 86 is the most reliable Toyota. The 86 is a joint venture. Learn something new every day.


Click through the brand or model names below for more details. ( you have to click on link to click on brands and models.)

2018 RANK CHANGE FROM 2016 BRAND NO. OF MODELS LEAST RELIABLE MODEL AVERAGE RELIABILITY SCORE MOST RELIABLE MODEL
1 ↑1 Toyota 14 Tacoma 80 86
2 ↓1 Lexus 8 GX 77 ES
3 ↑2 Kia 7 Sportage 71 Niro
4 — Audi 7 A7 68 Q3
5 ↑4 BMW 6 i3 62 2 Series
6 ↑5 Subaru 6 Impreza 60 BRZ
7 ↑1 Infiniti 4 Q50 60 Q70
8 ↓5 Buick 4 LaCrosse 59 Encore
9 ↑1 Honda 6 Ridgeline 59 CR-V
10 ↓ 3 Hyundai 5 Tucson 59 Elantra
11 ↑2 Nissan 8 Sentra 53 Versa Note
12 ↓6 Mazda 6 CX-9 52 3
13 ↑ 3 Porsche 3 Cayenne 50 Macan
14 ↑3 Mercedes-Benz 6 GLC 47 E-Class
15 ↑3 Ford 12 Focus 45 Fusion
16 ↑ 6 Volkswagen 8 Golf 44 Passat
17 ↑ 10 Chrysler 2 300 41 Pacifica
18 ↓ 3 Chevrolet 15 Camaro 39 Bolt
19 ↓ 7 Acura 4 ILX 38 RDX
20 ↑ 3 Jeep 4 Renegade 38 Cherokee<
21 ↑ 4 Tesla 2 Model X 37 Model S
22 ↓ 2 Lincoln 3 MKX 33 MKZ
23 ↓ 4 Volvo 3 XC90 33 V60
24 ↑ 2 Dodge 5 Journey 32 Grand Caravan
25 ↑ 4 Ram 3 3500 30 1500
26 ↓ 2 GMC 7 Acadia 28 Sierra 2500HD
27 ↓ 6 Cadillac 5 Escalade 26 CTS<

https://www.consumerreports.org/car-...they-stack-up/

[Ole Joe Clarke]

We drove the Toyota Sienna Van, purchased new, for 14 years. Now we drive a Rav4, purchased used. I have a 1995 Toyota T100 that I drive to the range and lake. Runs like a top.

I am not a fan of any of them, except those that crank and run when I want to go somewhere.

A lady that we know said her Grandfather said he would: "Rather push a Ford than drive a Chevy." Or, it could have been: "Push a Chevy that drive a Ford." That is so funny.

Have a blessed day,

Leon

[jmort]

I changed the discussion from cars to trucks. That was on me. My list from Consumer Reports was for all vehicles, cars and trucks. I trust Consumer Reports over your list from JD Powers, but pick who you trust most. I will stick with Consumer Reports. As for starter motors, what is the manufacturer recommended replacement milage number? There is no such thing.

[rancher1913]

we have tried the low level phone numbers and get nothing but a sympathetic ear " sorry to hear that, nothing we can do" which is total bs.

I really need one of the hidden phone numbers for someone that can do something, because having to shell out 3 grand for a something that they know is a problem and should have been addressed just pissses me off.

[waksupi]

we have tried the low level phone numbers and get nothing but a sympathetic ear " sorry to hear that, nothing we can do" which is total bs.

I really need one of the hidden phone numbers for someone that can do something, because having to shell out 3 grand for a something that they know is a problem and should have been addressed just pissses me off.

Look into a current Thomas Catalog. It should have the home and office number for the president, CEO, and supervisor.

[Lloyd Smale]

pretty much common knowledge that consumer guide is biased toward the japs.

I changed the discussion from cars to trucks. That was on me. My list from Consumer Reports was for all vehicles, cars and trucks. I trust Consumer Reports over your list from JD Powers, but pick who you trust most. I will stick with Consumer Reports. As for starter motors, what is the manufacturer recommended replacement milage number? There is no such thing.

[jmort]

Are there any facts to support the notion that Consumer Reports is biased in any way, including cars/trucks????
I have been reading CR for almost 50 years.
A great non-profit that accepts no advertising and pays retail anonymously for every product tested. As unbiased as it gets.
I would say it is common knowledge that they are a Gold Standard for consumers.
Still want to know manufacturer recommendation on starter motor recommendations?

[bangerjim]

pretty much common knowledge that consumer guide is biased toward the japs.

Most Toyota's here in the states are made in the North America . NOT Japan:

http://toyota.custhelp.com/app/answe...u.s.-market%3F

And they have build several USA plants since that info was published.

Ford, GM, and Chrysler cars/trucks have just as many if not MORE foreign-sourced parts and sub-assemblies as Toyota.

bangerjim

[JonB_in_Glencoe]

yup maybe in the 70 and 80s Toyotas were more reliable then the big three. today the only thing I Toyota has that a chev or ford does is buyers willing to pay full price for them and higher repair bills for the same failure as the domestic brands. 200000 miles is routine today for about any manufacture. Bottom line is if your driving ANY car or truck with 150-200k on it and haven't had a lick of trouble. Havent had to put a starter, alternator, ball joint, tie rod end ect replaced I sure don't want to put my grandkids in it and head out across country tommarow. I guess you can either maintain it properly or run it into the ground to the point its unsafe. Kind of like the guy that was at the local repair shop when I was having my tires rotated. He had an old corolla that had a tie rod fall right off going down the road. He said it had 180k on it and that was the first time something broke! Got to wonder what else is about to fall off going down the road. Big difference in claiming your motor lasted 200k without a penny being spent then an entire car. Anyone that knows me knows I don't like Fords. But that is just a personal preference. There as good as any chev or ram or Toyota on the road.

Then we can look at it another way. Even if your Toyota pickup lasted 200k and my chev did the same and I had to spend 500 bucks on a starter you didn't. Factor in that my chev (or ford or ram) gets at least 3 mpg better fuel economy and id bet the gas savings would have paid for 3 starters. ME? I dump them at no more then a 100k. I let someone else deal with the NORMAL wear and tear parts that WILL fail no matter who made them. One thing is for sure. Anything mechanical can and will eventually wear out whether an American put it together or a jap. Like Smoke said. Doesn't matter what brand you buy things can fail. Id bet Toyota of late has had as many or more recalls for safety issues then any of the big three. If you like your Toyota, don't mind getting 3mpg less gas mileage and have 5-10k more to spend on a comparable new truck that's 2 or 3 years behind in technology then buy one. Me I see LOTS of rusty OLD American pickups still driving down the road.

While I don't have the knowledge and intel that you have on the Big 3...I do have some anecdotal evidence that others who buy new cars don't have. I like cars and have a passion for changing up what I own ever few years...and I am thrifty/cheap whatever you want to call it, so I try to buy a used car cheaply enough to get that last 50K miles out of it, and consider the gamble of what repairs I have to make are hopfully less than monthly payments.

My current toyota and previous honda have had few repairs, both were bought with over 200Kmi. I sold the honda when it reached 254K and the rust was scarry...now my current car, the toyota has 245k.

American cars I've owned in the last two decades were, 98 Buick park ave, 3 different Jeeps from the 90s, dodge dakota, ford escort wagon, chev pickup, chev van...and they all needed more expensive repairs than the two japanese cars...and none of the American cars made it to 250k without being too scarry to drive on a daily basis.

Yep that is all anecdotal, so it is, what it is.
I may buy a American brand car again, but it has to 'speak' to me...if I'm just buying something to drive, it'll be a japanese brand...I've never owned a subaru...that may be next? But the current toyota I own ('05 matrix) is still in amazing shape, I expect it to hit 300K before I am too scarred to drive it.

[ShooterAZ]

My suggestion at this point is to contact a local mechanic regarding this. I live in a small town, but we do have a couple of mechanics here that specialize in import automobiles. I have had no issues to speak of with my Tacomas, but if I did, I would consult the local shop before going to the Toyota dealer. I think it's common knowledge that the dealerships charge FAR more than a regular mechanic normally would.

[Tenbender]

Notice I said in my post "Ford CARS"...............NOT trucks. Ford F150's and other models in the brand are some of the best hardest-working trucks out there. I would have no problem owning a Ford TRUCK.



bangerjim

banger

Banger,What about all those Crown Vics that were police cars then re-purposed as a taxi and run for half a million miles ? The only thing about Toyota's , if you keep them 5 years all you have left is the seat and steering wheel. The rest has rusted away ?

[RPRNY]

Don't indulge the population of the Trustafarian People's Socialistic Republic of Boulder! Dump the Prius

[NSB]

Get hold of your local BBB and see what arbitration processes they have in your state. Most states (NY does) has a process where you can go through binding arbitration with the auto company. I've done that several times and won each time. In one case I was working as a quality engineer for GM and my phone rang at work. It was someone from GM Zone that wanted to know if they were calling a GM number or not. I told them they were. They were a bit surprised that a "loyal" GM employee would be taking them to arbitration. I told them it wasn't the first time. In that case they took the SUV back for numerous problems and gave me another new vehicle at no out of pocket cost to me. I've consoled several other people on how to walk through the process and each one of them either won their case or got at least half from the manufacturer. You have nothing to lose by going after them. In most cases they lose but don't like to tell everyone that.

[Ford SD]

Banger,What about all those Crown Vics that were police cars then re-purposed as a taxi and run for half a million miles ? The only thing about Toyota's , if you keep them 5 years all you have left is the seat and steering wheel. The rest has rusted away ?

I have one of the last CV off the line a 04 (not a police car) that was my parents .. I got it when the doctors took my fathers licence away at 82

it has been in at least 2 axcidents hit in front end (my mother)

Most of my repairs have been rough road related Control arms replaced front and rear / ball joints/ struts / shocks

Canadian winters = brakes/ calipers

I had to rent a car for a week wifes ford focus tranny decided to end its life at 348000 km
motor was still good only down 1/2 a quart at a oil change which was good as wife did not check it

Rented a Dodge Journey SUV/Crossover (top of the line leather/ nav/ sunroof) for the week

wife drove the CV

was in the dodge less than 5 min and hated it ( brand new had not even had a oil change yet 2k)
it clunked -- it shifted badly 8 speed .. it groaned .. fuel... used more gas than the CV

Was very glad to be back in the CV at the end of the week

was not going to replace trans in the focus --- 11 year old car --- canadian winters

Replaced Focus with a 2018 Mazda CX5 very happy with it so far

[bangerjim]

Before getting all wrapped up with any BBB kerflullel, you might wanna read your Prius owner's manual. If I am not mistaken, you will find a statement in there that reads something like this: "Three (3) year or 30,000 mile (whichever comes 1st) warrant on all NON-DRIVE TRAIN components". You have exceeded that warranty. Most cars have that type of warranty, depending on the maker. Read your Prius book.

Now, specifically about your Prius A/C system: you have a hybrid drive in there, just like my Lexus 400H and 450H. And every other maker that "borrowed" the hybrid technology from Toyota. The gasoline engine starts and stops depending on where/how your are driving. The A/C compressor does NOT run off a belt off the gasoline engine like in standard cars/trucks. It runs off a high voltage DC electric motor. You would not want your A/C to stop when you were stuck in traffic!?! I can sit in a parking lot for 20-25 minutes, the gasoline engine shuts off almost immediately, but the A/C keeps cranking all the while. Once the big high voltage hybrid LiON batteries under the back seat reach a low point, the motor kicks back on and charges them up to a certain point and then shuts off again. I think the Prius system works exactly the same.

THAT is why your A/C repairs are so costly. You are not dealing with an old style belt driven compressor system that any local grease monkey repair shop can easily replace. Or a weekend all-thumbs home repairman can get at AutoZone or RockAuto.

Good luck on your adventure in the land of auto repairs! I leave all my auto repair work up to the Toyota and Lexus local dealers.

bangerjim

[rancher1913]

bangerjim, I know what the warranty says but can you honestly say that you would not be pissed and fight for a warranty on a major item that really should last for at least triple the warranty period.

thanks waksupi, I will look into that.

thanks nsb, I will explore that as well.