RepackboxReloading EverythingWidenersMidSouth Shooters Supply
Load DataInline FabricationRotoMetals2Titan Reloading
Lee Precision
Page 4 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast
Results 61 to 80 of 89

Thread: Paper patch height

  1. #61
    Banned


    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    NJ via TX
    Posts
    3,876
    same MSC company, but a bunch cheaper off fleabay ...

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Made-in-USA...LH_TitleDesc=0

  2. #62
    Boolit Master Lead pot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    3,577
    That is a good price Rob.
    I cut a lot of my wads from one gallon ice cream buckets the kids save for me that is a very good soft resin that are a little thinner at around .040" thick and some brands are around .036" If I feel I need a thicker wad I just double them, but they work just fine with just one making a good seal and good upset filling the grooves.

  3. #63
    Boolit Buddy
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Posts
    193
    That is a really good price Rob.
    Lead pot, thanks for the thoughts about a hard wad. In fact I ordered some cork to make wads out of and was thinking of trying them over the .060 LDPE wad to further cushion the blow so to speak.
    Don, good idea about shooting today’s load some more. If the groups hold up it will be a good base line and not a fluke.
    BTW the group was shot at 100 yards and the rest was on the forend and not the barrel. I sprinkled talcum powder on the barrel but no “nodes” appeared, the talc wound up being evenly distributed along the top of the barrel.
    G’night, Richard

  4. #64
    Boolit Grand Master Don McDowell's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Hell Gap Wy
    Posts
    6,094
    Rest your barrel on the sticks about 4-6 inches back from the muzzle or immediately in front of the forearm. Don't worry about the "nodes", a bullet traveling at 1200ish fps is going to put different vibration than beating on the thing with a hammer... Having the sticks adjusted to a natural height (meaning when you're in the gun your grip feels comfortable and you don't have to move your head and the sights up or down but very slightly to get the target centered) is probably more important than finding the "nodes"
    Long range rules, the rest drool.

  5. #65
    Boolit Buddy
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Portsmouth Ohio
    Posts
    356

    Paper patch height

    . Here are just a few of mine. I’ll try to get some pics this weekend of my paper but it is usually shredded up so throughly I can’t find much of it at all. Most of it is blown away in the wind. Since this picture was taken over a year ago I have shortened my patches but I was getting fliers every now and then which it looks like you might have a small flier but that should still do alright on the silhouette range. Even with that little flier that’s still a pretty good group. A shorter patch may help those fliers That is IF you have fliers. If you don’t then I wouldn’t worry to much about it but it wouldn’t hurt to try. I am using a thinner paper than you are also so that may play into it a little


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Last edited by ian45662; 08-01-2018 at 07:49 AM.

  6. #66
    Banned


    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    NJ via TX
    Posts
    3,876
    i just get a cloud of confetti ...


  7. #67
    Boolit Master Lead pot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Posts
    3,577
    When I test alloy or just shoot on a rainy day I get out in the shed and shoot These remnants are typical of my patches using 75 or 100 % cotton onion skin paper, or even 25% cotton .0018 to .0020" paper. Using a soft vellum translucent tracing paper I find more of the inner wrap cut but like what your seeing. But you want to find the confetti right in front of the rifle not on the target backer.
    Attachment 224782Attachment 224783Attachment 224784

  8. #68
    Boolit Buddy
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Posts
    193
    Thanks Lead pot, all my patches were just a few feet in front of the muzzle.
    Don, I free floated the bbl on my Browning. Before the forend was very tight to the bbl. I shimmed the two forend screws at the hanger .015 to clear the forend from the bottom bbl. flat. I saw videos of Dave Gullo shooting off the forend, so decided to give that a try. I need to make up some cross sticks. I think resting on the cross sticks close to the muzzle may give a steadier support.
    Regards, Richard

  9. #69
    Boolit Grand Master Don McDowell's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Hell Gap Wy
    Posts
    6,094
    Richard, shooting from the bench using a front rest, resting off on the forearm is the best way. You can build benchrest cross sticks that will simulate shooting off of prone or sitting sticks.
    I wish wrist rests were legal in bpcrs, as they are in bptr. I like to use a wrist rest shooting bptr.
    Long range rules, the rest drool.

  10. #70
    Boolit Grand Master

    Join Date
    Mar 2013
    Location
    Northwest Ohio
    Posts
    14,455
    I made my bench sticks up basically the same as my cross sticks as to rest strap and adjustments. The base is 2 1x 4 maple pieces spaced 1" apart. My only problem with the bench sticks is I tear up my right elbow if I forget a towel to lay on the bench top. They work very well for me and I actually use them more than my heavy front rest and sand bags now.

    My paper patch confetti is always close to the muzzle when recovered. Some days with the right breeze it ends up on the bench even. Some of my rifles turn the outer wrap into confetti others it all is confetti. My CPA 40-65 with Douglas barrel I have yet to recover a under wrap. its all turned to confetti. My 1 badger barrel is the same. The green mountain mc gowen and pedersoli barrels all turn the outer into confetti and inner intact with base fold over. Im using Seth Cole paper or onion skin (?) currently.

  11. #71
    Boolit Buddy
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Posts
    193
    Don, I’m not familiar with a “wrist rest”! Is that we’re the back of the non trigger hand is on the rest and gripping the forend?
    I’m not getting confetti, maybe because my paper is on the thick side at .0019
    Regards, Richard

  12. #72
    Boolit Grand Master Don McDowell's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Hell Gap Wy
    Posts
    6,094
    Yes a wrist rest is similar to a bench rest front rest, and you hold the forearm in a gloved hand.
    Long range rules, the rest drool.

  13. #73
    Boolit Buddy
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Posts
    193
    Oh! OK like a hi power rifle with glove and sling...thanks Don.
    Regards, Richard

  14. #74
    Boolit Buddy
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Location
    Portsmouth Ohio
    Posts
    356

    Paper patch height

    . This is pretty much all the paper I get. I also get strips like confetti but just a slight breeze carries them off. You tried to take a picture it in the grass but they were so spread out I would have to get the phone to far away to see it even after shooting at 10 rams and taking 5 sighters.


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
    Last edited by ian45662; 08-04-2018 at 06:24 PM.

  15. #75
    Banned


    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    NJ via TX
    Posts
    3,876
    Quote Originally Posted by flatsguide View Post
    ... I think resting on the cross sticks close to the muzzle may give a steadier support.
    Regards, Richard
    note that if too close to the muzzle, recoil can have a way of slapping the barrel off the sticks. when you find a spot that works you can add a strip of tape at the point for location consistency.

    i made up a simple bench cross sticks that i can clamp to the bench if need be ... there are adjustments on both the base and sticks ...

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	bench-cross-stick.jpg 
Views:	25 
Size:	242.5 KB 
ID:	225011

  16. #76
    Boolit Buddy
    Join Date
    Oct 2015
    Posts
    193
    Those bench sticks look good. I may have to knock together a set. Right now I’m making a new butt stock as the factory original is too long and too long a LOP. The stock pull is 13 3/4 and with recoil pad way to long. I need about 13 inches.

  17. #77
    Boolit Master
    LynC2's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Albuquerque, Nuevo Mexico
    Posts
    613
    Quote Originally Posted by Don McDowell View Post
    You may or may not experience nose slump by not patching to the ogive, depends more on the alloy. I would like to try the 12-1 sometime, but for now I'm pretty happy with the 16-1, and I find no lead in the barrel after a days match shooting using the 7/8' inch wide patch.
    You will notice a few minutes less elevation at distance using the shorter patch than a longer one.
    Don,
    I was re-reading this and wonder if you have any idea why using a shorter patch would use less elevation? Velocity change, barrel harmonics or ?
    Thanks,
    Lyn
    NRA Endowment member, TSRA Life member, Distinguished Rifleman, Viet Nam Vet

  18. #78
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Posts
    1,941
    Quote Originally Posted by LynC2 View Post
    Don,
    I was re-reading this and wonder if you have any idea why using a shorter patch would use less elevation? Velocity change, barrel harmonics or ?
    Thanks,
    Lyn
    Possibly less resistance in the bore? Just a guess.

    Be a little careful with short patches. There was a time several years ago when there was a lot of talk on the Shiloh forum that short patching was the way to go so I gave it a try. They shot well, but not any better than patched to the start of the ogive for me. They did leave a little bit of lead in the bore so I stopped doing that.

    Chris.

  19. #79
    Banned


    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Location
    NJ via TX
    Posts
    3,876
    if short patching leads to leading, that ain't for me even if the shorter paper is more accurate.

  20. #80
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Posts
    1,941
    Quote Originally Posted by rfd View Post
    if short patching leads to leading, that ain't for me even if the shorter paper is more accurate.
    It was actually pretty enlightening. The load did not lead when I wiped with a mixture of water + oil, but as soon as I tried it with pure water as a wiping solution then I noticed it. Not a lot, but during cleaning tight patches would come out with a little bit of grey. I stopped the practice after that.

    Chris.

Page 4 of 5 FirstFirst 12345 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Abbreviations used in Reloading

BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check