I have been loading them for my ruger 77/44 at 1.640", any longer and they won't feed. I have been trimming my cases to minimum. I know I could trim shorter so the case lines up with the crimp groove but haven't gone that route yet. I have been using a Lee collet die to crimp my rounds. The case lip extends a little over my boolits crimp groove as you can see. At this length and style crimp they function perfectly. Just courious who else loads the devastator in the 77/44 and how they are crimping and at what OAL that works and feeds in theirs that might be different than the way I'm doing it and how is their accuracy? I've only tested one load at a 100 yards using w296 with 23.8 grains. I shot a 2.3" group. My velocities are pretty consistent with this crimp.