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Thread: Round Ball loading the 12ga.

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    gpidaho - Lots of possibilities; Epoxy (just a tiny dot) or hot glue are the first ones I'd try; You could alternately epoxy the patch to the front of the RB possibly? Or Duro cement, rubber cement, or even thumbtack the patch to the RB might do? (Tired, couldn't sleep, and not sure I have what you're doing right but think I do.) We used to basically pop a 12Ga light field load open, drain the shot, put a .690 soft RB in the cup, and then crimp the petals all the way down against the RB to retain it in the shell; "Pumpkin ball loads", fun and decent accuracy tho its been since 85ish since I did that {sigh} That might retain your ball too, tho the crimp would maybe change pressures slightly higher it never seemed a problem (I was using good solid shotguns tho.)

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    Gp:

    I have only patched into a shotcup so the patch has no chance of coming off leaving hull or in forcing cone as it is protected by the shotcup.

    I have however read post by people who have patched round balls into brass bottleneck rifle cartridges and claim that works where I would figure that patch would come off in the neck or throat and I have read posts by people who claim to have had good success patching 12 ga. balls to bore size then load in hull ~ patched as one would for a muzzleloader. Now here I really have trouble accepting that the patch is not stripped off opening crimp or in the forcing cone.

    In both cases though there is gas pressure behind the patched ball that may keep that patch tight. In the rifle it is direct pressure and quite a bit of it but even in the shotgun there is leakage past the gas seal and I am betting significant leakage until that gas seal makes it to the bore so maybe there is enough gas leakage/pressure to keep the patch on that ball.

    I have not tried either so cannot say from experience whether it will or won't work. I have been planning to try patching a 0.690" or 0.715" RB with heavy cloth to get to bore diameter and give it a try. If it works in shotgun it is a good option. I suspect if it works in smoothbore it will work in rifled gun so possibly a very good option ~ no leading and adjustable fit by changing cloth thickness.

    So, lots of words but no facts.

    It is certainly worth trying and really no downside. If it works great! If not then you have a few rounds loaded with "loose" round balls so just not accurate. I've shot lots of 0.690" RB's from 12 ga. with poor accuracy so nothing new there!

    Patching into a shotcup for smoothbore works quite well but I don't know if that would work for rifled gun. A benefit is that 0.662" and 0.678" RB's are about 1 oz. so lots and lots of 1 oz. slug load data can be used.

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    Thank you Longbow: I believe we are thinking along the same line here and as you say poor accuracy is most likely the only down side to trying. I'm so new to all this that I haven't found any accuracy yet anyway. LOL. Midway has a sale on right now with the .662 RB mould at a pretty good discount if anyone is interested. I should try getting what I've already bought to shoot before jumping into more expense (I'm bad about that.) Along those lines, I got tired of trying to figure out how to mount a scope on my break-open shotguns and ordered up a fully rifled slug barrel for my Remington 11-87 20ga. It's a good thing that I have no female supervision or I'd be in deep trouble. Gp

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    I don't recall what you said you were shooting for RB and am too lazy to read back (sorry) but if 0.690" that is one I have had no success with so far. However, BPI does publish load data for 0.690" RB's in shotcups so there are some that fit. That has been my problem is that the 0.690" RB is too bit for any shotcups I can find so petals shear.

    0.678" is a good fit in some shotcups and just a bit loose in my Winchester 1 1/8 oz. yellow wads. One wrap of paper or cross patches fixes that but is a bit of a pain.

    0.662" RB's are loose in regular shotcups but cloth patching fixes that and they are a PERFECT fit in CSD steel shot wads. Greg Sappington had told me they worked well and he said he had an article about a guy shooting them in fully rifled barrel as an "attached wad" slug with good results. I hadn't realized Greg sent me a few of those wads so I checked and they are a perfect fit in my bore with 0.662" RB pressed in with shotcup cut down and two 16 ga. nitro card wads under the ball. I will be trying those out shortly.

    Even if they don't work as an attached wad slug, the slit version of the wad will make for easy loading with no patching. I'll have to order in though and no local supply here.

    good luck in your loading and keep us posted on results.

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    Longbow: Scott sent me an ebay link to a .662 RB mould at a good price. I picked it and a .562 RB mould for my 20ga. up this afternoon. Going to have to wait on that saving money thing. Anyway I have at least a dozen different 12ga. wads to choose from and they vary from the teens to about 40 in thousandths for petal thickness. Time to quit buying now and get to testing. Gp

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    Quote Originally Posted by longbow View Post
    I don't recall what you said you were shooting for RB and am too lazy to read back (sorry) but if 0.690" that is one I have had no success with so far. However, BPI does publish load data for 0.690" RB's in shotcups so there are some that fit. That has been my problem is that the 0.690" RB is too bit for any shotcups I can find so petals shear.

    0.678" is a good fit in some shotcups and just a bit loose in my Winchester 1 1/8 oz. yellow wads. One wrap of paper or cross patches fixes that but is a bit of a pain.

    0.662" RB's are loose in regular shotcups but cloth patching fixes that and they are a PERFECT fit in CSD steel shot wads. Greg Sappington had told me they worked well and he said he had an article about a guy shooting them in fully rifled barrel as an "attached wad" slug with good results. I hadn't realized Greg sent me a few of those wads so I checked and they are a perfect fit in my bore with 0.662" RB pressed in with shotcup cut down and two 16 ga. nitro card wads under the ball. I will be trying those out shortly.

    Even if they don't work as an attached wad slug, the slit version of the wad will make for easy loading with no patching. I'll have to order in though and no local supply here.

    good luck in your loading and keep us posted on results.

    Longbow

    LB

    ? on the CSD wads, are these for 2 3/4" or 3" ?
    Is the payload 1 or 2 .662 balls?

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    2 3/4" hulls and one 0.662" RB. They are a nice press fit into the unslit wad. I hadn't actually thought of trying 2 balls and am wondering why because I have been toying with the idea of a two ball load and the CSD wads would be perfect for size if they are long enough. In that case they would have to be slit.

    I like attached wad slugs like Brenneke and I'm a little unsure why I didn't work around to this earlier. Maybe partly because there is little in the way of selection locally so I don't get the option of going and looking at or picking up a bag to try. However, I do have a few CSD wads that I was given and I just never looked that close.

    In any case, with the CSD wads I have those 0.662" RB's fit perfectly and with two 16 ga. card wads behind them and the cup cut down to a hair over the equator of the ball they make a nice attached wad slug... a little light maybe but I have a home made mould that casts a TC nose at 0.685" with reduced shank that also fits the CSD wads perfectly so I can increase weight using those.

    Now to try them out!

    Longbow

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BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
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