So I work on power lines and we have a lot of old lead head insulator pins would they be worth melting down?
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So I work on power lines and we have a lot of old lead head insulator pins would they be worth melting down?
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If they are lead, YES! Get all you can. Don't waste time asking us.
I thought they went to Zn sometime back. Check with HCl acid.
If Pb, get 'em.
I’ll keep em as I pull em down they probably don’t have much weight to them as there molded to steel pins but I figured that’d be easy enough to separate for use I don’t wanna start collecting them if it’s just gonna be another trash pile in the shop though. The ones we put up now have molded plastic heads so idk about anything being zinc
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I saved them before I retired. Each pin has about 4 oz of lead best that I could tell. Some of the older ones were a little bigger. I never had it tested but the hardness was about like wheelweights. Biggin, another member here saves them too. Maybe he will see this and post his experiences. They are a little hard to melt because they take up a lot of room in the smelting pot and don't contact the sides of the pot very well. You can cut the leaded part off and this helps some. Pole hardware is very mild steel and they cut pretty easy. I would get them.
Use a circular concave fire pit with drain holes in the bottom. Arrange two layers of pins with the heads over or near the drain holes (but not blocking them). Build a fire on top with some pieces of particle board, plywood, or scrap lumber. The lead melts, runs down to the bottom, and out through the drain holes to be caught in a pan. Don't forget to sift through the ashes and pull out the harden "lead puddles" that didn't make it to the drain holes.
I almost went broke trying to heat all that steel with propane to melt off the lead, and it makes all but the biggest, heaviest pot "tippy" to the point of being dangerous. I have gleaned close to 1,000 lbs of lead from insulating pins with this method. It also appeals to my lazy side, as I sit by the fire and drink coffee, just making sure my lead stalagmites don't build up enough to plug the drain holes.
You will be able to sell the steel scrap and pay for the fire pit. I think they run about $50.00 and I got $199 per ton last trip.
Last edited by bowfin; 05-01-2018 at 08:09 PM.
Oh yeah there’s a bunch of them 1 3/8” pins in that batch. That’s gonna be a great deal I think
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I was a lineman all my life and used to grab them all the time too. I even had a jig to hold them over a kettle and id take my weed burner and melt them off. It was more work then it was worth. You basically ended up with a small amount of pure lead. Probably using more propane then the $ amount your getting in lead. See one of your underground crews and tell them to watch for some lead cased under ground cable I got about 1/4 mile of pipe big enough to hold 4 356 sized copper wires in it. Made a deal with the underground guys. Told them id help them strip it and they could have the copper and id take the lead. Ended up with over a ton of pure lead. Nice thing too is they made so much off the copper wire when they sold it for scrap that they gave me a 200 bucks on top of the lead I got. it was messy though. They inject grease type goop in the pipe and in 15 minutes your covered hed to toe with it. Fairly easy to strip the stuff though. We would cut it into about 30ft pieces and anchor it to one truck and hook it up to the winch on another and pull it tight and just take a linemans knife and cut it length wise and peal off the lead.
I’m pretty sure we don’t have any lead cases underground we’re kinda small on people so I do all of it but I’ll keep my eyes peeled we almost never dig that stuff back up either
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I got mine when they ran new cables from the local paper mill to our main sub station. It was the only time I ran across it myself. Supposedly because it was filled with that grease type **** they couldn't abandon it in the ground. Another thing when melting the lead off those pins is the steal is galvanized so make sure your not breathing the fumes when it gets hot.
The utility I worked for used all wooden pins. They make s great mold whacker if you need to hit one.
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Hmm I can ask a guy at the IOU in town I bet if either place would have it it’d be them. All of our old UG is that bare concentric poly type.
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When they redid the water mains here in town I asked for the lead. Guys doing it said their contract forced them to treat it as a hazardous substance and they couldn't let me take any of it. A few pieces did end up in my backyard because I have cast boolits for one of the guys in the past. About 100 pounds worth of pure, he left a note asking for 500 9mm 120TC I cast a lot of, in fact I had 500 ready in my stash to load up later this month so he is taken care of.
I started collecting x-arm pins and pole top pins when I started casting last year. Most of them went into our big smelt we did back in February. My first casting was done with pole pin lead. I have an old lee 20lb pot with the linkage remove that I melted them down in and made ingots. I cas a bunch of rcbs 150grn .358 with it. They dropped out of the mold at around 158grn. Loaded over 4grns of 231 they made a nice plinking load. It's not a lot of lead though I've probably collected 150+ LBS so far,but it's practically free! It's getting it into a usable form that sucks.
a lineman that was the last apprentice I trained stopped by yesterday to bs a bit. I asked him about the pin thing and he said they aren't allowed to consider them trash anymore. Because there lead they have to be accounted for and disposed up properly. Used to be able to get old poles they took down or broke in storms but they stopped that about 5 years ago because epa says that the treatement is hazardous. So what do they do with them now. they have a big pile of poles down at the substation that just sit there. Cant see how that's any different then sitting in my yard. He said now they have a big bin at the substation for anything lead or galvanized. Once its full they pay to have it disposed of as a hazardous waste. About as silly as wheel weights. Tire shops are suppose to bring them to a hazardous waste site (here its the local scrap yard) instead of getting paid for them they have to pay to dispose them and then the salvage yard sells them to me or there scrap dealer and make more money off them. Intelligence right up there with thinking that banning ar15s is going to stop school shootings.
They haven’t started us doing that yet I’ve hauled tons of poles out to the ranch as the used pole rack fills up and the boss is happy for me to clean the lead off the pins so guess I’m lucky
Biggin, what are you having to do to alloy it or have you hardness tested it prior to pouring?
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Lightman tested some for me and says its about the same as wheel weights. We are getting some samples together to send off to BEN to get tested. I'll post the results when we get that done. BTW they were about 11-12 bhn
I didn't alloy any of it the first time. Since then I've been mixing them with my ww.
Sounds good I’ll melt them as is and see how it works for me been planning on doing WW with a pound of R92
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BP | Bronze Point | IMR | Improved Military Rifle | PTD | Pointed |
BR | Bench Rest | M | Magnum | RN | Round Nose |
BT | Boat Tail | PL | Power-Lokt | SP | Soft Point |
C | Compressed Charge | PR | Primer | SPCL | Soft Point "Core-Lokt" |
HP | Hollow Point | PSPCL | Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" | C.O.L. | Cartridge Overall Length |
PSP | Pointed Soft Point | Spz | Spitzer Point | SBT | Spitzer Boat Tail |
LRN | Lead Round Nose | LWC | Lead Wad Cutter | LSWC | Lead Semi Wad Cutter |
GC | Gas Check |