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    Where are all the trees and animals?

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    No thanks, I don't care how thick that ice is!

    The Canadian ice road truckers run across the big lakes... now that is dicey! Have a pressure ridge open up under you and down you go!

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    I was up in that neighborhood last Sept. Shot a young bull caribou a few miles NW of pump 2. I'm not too interested in going up there in the winter though.
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    Question was asked about a bathroom break. I was only a few minuets away from the camp on the island and maybe 15 minuets away from the main camp.
    The camps are nice. Better than some motels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryB View Post
    No thanks, I don't care how thick that ice is!

    The Canadian ice road truckers run across the big lakes... now that is dicey! Have a pressure ridge open up under you and down you go!
    Mary, the water depth between the mainland and our island is shallow. Around 10 feet I’ve been told. The ice is froze to bottom plus many extra layers of ice have been applied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plate plinker View Post
    Where are all the trees and animals?
    No trees. But even on the tundra, there are no trees but it does come to life after the thaw. Animals are plenty especially the Caribou. They come up around the camp a lot. But so do the bears.
    Lots of Fox and other critters too.
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    What about a bathroom break, DO NOT GET CAUGHT, if you do, you use the spill kit you carry with you and scrape it up. You do not get caught emptying a coffee cup, if you intend to stay long.

    The outfit Downsouth works for is strict, but does not hold a candle to any EXXON ice road.

    Mary those lakes in Canada has built up and monitored ice roads too, it is not like a guy just decides it is time to go trucking, most of the pictures of rigs going through are faked for TV. There is a legit picture of a freightliner with a tanker that went through, but it was because the driver was a certified idiot and was not even suppose to be on the road yet, it was only open for pickups.
    In all reality it is only dangerous for those on the road building crew, when they first start building the road.

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    I just looked at satellite pics of Spy Island. Man, you are up there. I wish I had pushed further North when I was up that way forty (million) years ago........
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    Pic from the main camp looking out across the Tundra.
    Well I can’t figure out how to turn the pic upright on this phone.

    Oh, Starmac is correct. You don’t use the bathroom, pour anything out or even spit tobacco juice on the ice.
    Even if you need to leave a vehicle idling you have to put a containment under it just in case it might leak. All trucks carry such a containment with them.

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    Talk about an ice road.During WW2,the russians built a railroad across a frozen lake to get supplies to the troops.
    Good luck.Have fun.Be safe.
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    They have some big drilling rigs up north, I would imagine as big as any anywhere in the world, and at least some of them move from location to location, all in one piece, they do not even lower the derrick. I do not have a clue what these things weigh, but I doubt a train puts anywhere as much ground pressure or ICE pressure as those rigs do.
    They only move something like 1/2 mile an hour, and take up all of the road. It is a royal pain to get caught during a rig move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryB View Post
    No thanks, I don't care how thick that ice is!

    The Canadian ice road truckers run across the big lakes... now that is dicey! Have a pressure ridge open up under you and down you go!
    It is the speed and weight of the truck that creates a bow wave in the ice. Heavy loads at fast speeds can cause the ice to break up in front of the truck at a pressure ridge or in shallow water - especially leaving the ice at the shoreline. the ice is smooth, smoother than the best pavement, but the speed limit is extremely low


    One of the fellows I coffee with in the morning was an original ice road trucker - running cat trains to Dew line constructions sites, and then building winter roads in the High Arctic in the 1950s.
    His trucks were some of the first vehicles over these ice roads as they hauled in portable camps, and supplies for the men in the camps.
    This individual had ownership and control of over a dozen companies working in the high Arctic.

    On another note - I have known Alex Debogorski since he was 18 years old, read his book to make sure I was NOT mentioned in it.
    An interesting fellow who sometimes stops for coffee on his way from Yellowknife to parts unknown.
    Go now and pour yourself a hot one...

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    If that is the same Alex that came over here and run the haul road, I met him, I did not know him. I am not taking away anything from his ice road ability on the lakes, but he took an abnormal amount of training here to be able to run the haul road, and several trainers at least some of the trainers only let him drive once, then took the reins back, and told their boss, no way were they trusting their life to try and school him up on the road. I do not know if it was attitude or what that caused it to be so hard for him to learn to negotiate the hills or what, but I know he had a lot of trouble learning.

    They were not on anything we call an ice road here, they only took freight to the start of the ice road, as far as I know, they never got on the ice at all except for some staged roads over at the lake just for the show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by starmac View Post
    If that is the same Alex that came over here and run the haul road, I met him, I did not know him. I am not taking away anything from his ice road ability on the lakes, but he took an abnormal amount of training here to be able to run the haul road, and several trainers at least some of the trainers only let him drive once, then took the reins back, and told their boss, no way were they trusting their life to try and school him up on the road. I do not know if it was attitude or what that caused it to be so hard for him to learn to negotiate the hills or what, but I know he had a lot of trouble learning.

    They were not on anything we call an ice road here, they only took freight to the start of the ice road, as far as I know, they never got on the ice at all except for some staged roads over at the lake just for the show.
    Interesting stuff - Could be him. I know a lot of folk that worked in the Arctic, some were bluff and bluster, some did remarkable things they don't brag about.
    The guys I know who ran cat trains and did winter road hauls in the 1950s through to the late 1970s are not impressed with the little they saw on television shows.

    One fellow I coffee with supplied rigs in the Beaufort out of Tuk over the ice - before the days of ice penetrating radar. They never lost a truck or a man. He has interesting stories.
    Go now and pour yourself a hot one...

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    I don't know about in Canada, but the show ice road truckers they filmed here was all scripted and in a way to just be a lot of drama and make the drivers look stupid.
    They were constantly in the way and doing stupid stuff for the show, that was sometimes a danger or close to it, to the normal traffic. The film crew was even worse, as far as I was concerned.

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    We have been building ice roads for yrs now. We have hauled heavy drilling equipment across our ice road with no problems.
    What you see on TV is for drama. Big oil companies don't screw around with chances. When you spend over 5 million on an ice road it is for a reason, no problems....
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