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Thread: Smooth sided boolits and tumble lube?

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    Smooth sided boolits and tumble lube?

    Do these boolits w/o lube groves work, if so how well, with tumble lube?

    I know they are used to powder coat. Are there any other advantages?

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    Lead displaced from the rifling will ruin your bases.
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    What if they're gas checked?

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    Boolit Master davidheart's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jayhawkhuntclub View Post
    What if they're gas checked?
    Lead will be displaced by your rifling. The question you need to ask yourself is, "Where will that lead go?" Likely down toward the base of the boolit. If a GC is at the base of the boolit that GC may be forced off in some sort of incomplete manner which may cause accuracy issues...
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    I've been working with a no-groove Arsenal design for one of my .308s. Loading it 'as-cast', even with tumble lube, isn't likely to work 'cause the both the (bore-rider) nose and the base drop a couple thousandths undersize to allow for application of PC before final sizing. Fresh out of the mold, the nose and base of my 188-grainer mike .2985 and .3075, respectively; which I size to .300 and .310 after PC. Haven't really investigated thoroughly but I suspect, if you check the mold-makers specs, you'll find almost all PC-dedicated designs are going to cast on the small side.

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    The problem with a plain body bullet is lube.
    The lube groove, exists to hold lube, and to dispense that lube; as the bullet makes it's trip down the gun barrel.

    A lube coated cast bullet, (without lube grooves), may well not carry sufficient lubricant for that entire trip.
    The result will be leading at the point in the barrel where the lube runs out, ...and from that point, on to the muzzle.
    As for powder coating, I dunno, I've never done it;
    but, it seems to me that if a problem were to occur, it would happen, when/if, too much pressure and heat are applied to the bullet's base by too hot a load,

    which would melt the bullet's base,

    causing gas blow-by,

    and disrupting accuracy.

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    I believe on most, you are correct on the sizing. BUT the Arsenal sure seem to be accurate. The 6 mm sure does fit my lothar 6x45!

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    Boolit Master popper's Avatar
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    Obviously, for a semi pistol it does work. I have NOT had any luck with PB in rifle (3 30 cal) using BLL and any soft (SOWW) alloy pushed very hard. GC helped a little. COWW worked OK & accuracy is better with the GC.
    Groove or groove-less doesn't matter, pressure and alloy do.

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BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
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