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    I whish they'd make a Ruger with the side lever conversion. I'd be in for one of those for sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dryball View Post
    I whish they'd make a Ruger with the side lever conversion. I'd be in for one of those for sure.
    you mean like a remington hepburn side lever?

    if so, man, you are seriously dreaming about something that'll only happen when hell freezes over .....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Cash View Post
    As the NRA does not allow hammerless rifles in their BPCR matches, the market is severly curtailed.
    And that is why Ruger ain't gonna do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dryball View Post
    I whish they'd make a Ruger with the side lever conversion. I'd be in for one of those for sure.
    While I dearly love Hepburn rifles, I can't say a side lever is much good for extracting any case that has much resistance to leave the chamber. They are fantastic for bech shooting where I never need to roll the gun on it's side to extract a case though.
    I think with others building Hepburn clones now, I doubt Ruger would ever consider expanding their limited production of the #1 to include a side lever version.

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    Maw, at the grocery store, meat market aisle, with her trusty Remington-Hepburn in one hand and a Jim Bowie in t'other. Pricelessly classic. An era, a lifestyle, and a people long gone and most likely never to return.



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    She is a lady you would really want to be on her good side. What a great pic. Todd/3leg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Cash View Post
    I, personally, would remove the safety from the #1 if I wanted to use it as a long range black powder target rifle for casual matches or gong shoots. On the target range, the safety is not used and the thumb piece interferes with ejection. If you wish to hunt the rifle, a tang sight is not needed thus the safety issue is moot. As the NRA does not allow hammerless rifles in their BPCR matches, the market is severly curtailed.
    in one competition a shooter came with a ruger no 1 with tank sight and the range officer told that the rifle does not qualifie since no hammer

    the shooter red the rule on this and it stipulate that a rifle with visible hammer are allowed but it does not say how much of the tiger has to be visible and the shooter showed the small part of the hammer that is visible on the ruger and won is point....... so he was allowed to shoot

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    Quote Originally Posted by rfd View Post
    Maw, at the grocery store, meat market aisle, with her trusty Remington-Hepburn in one hand and a Jim Bowie in t'other. Pricelessly classic. An era, a lifestyle, and a people long gone and most likely never to return.


    That picture is actually much newer. The husband and wife team were avid hunters and photographers in the 1940's through I believe 1960's? The picture was posted on the ASSRA forum last fall with details of the couple and her successful mule deer hunt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by canuck4570 View Post
    in one competition a shooter came with a ruger no 1 with tank sight and the range officer told that the rifle does not qualifie since no hammer

    the shooter red the rule on this and it stipulate that a rifle with visible hammer are allowed but it does not say how much of the tiger has to be visible and the shooter showed the small part of the hammer that is visible on the ruger and won is point....... so he was allowed to shoot
    NOT gonna happen in the USA at my matches or most folks registered matches.

    No matter what, the Ruger #1 to #3 are NOT a 19th century rifle designs.

    the ONLY 20th century rifle STYLE allowed at 99.9% of all events is the CPA Stevens 44-1/2.

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    The Sharps Brochardt is a rifle of the correct era and its banned also due to no hammer. Its just the way it is.
    There are conversions of the Remington Rolling block to a side lever to open the block. I believe you still have to cock the hammer by hand first though. On the number 1 cocking the striker, lowering the block and ejecting the cartridge case may be a lot of force on the lever to accomplish. My Hepurn takes a pretty good push on the lever to get the case out enough to remove it with out hooking it with a finger nail to slide it out a little more. ( C Sharps repo in 45-90). I like the looks of the side lever and the ease of it from prone and the bench also. I am going to do a roller when the shop is up and going for a project and may convert it to side lever also.

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    Tho well meaning, I think you two are spreading fake news
    The Sharps Brochardt and the Ruger #3 & #1 are able to compete in all NRA Black Powder Target Rifle matches.
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    I hope that Ruger makes a no 1 in 4570 with a octoganal 30 inches or so
    modified safety so you could mount a vernier sight and globe front
    Oh **** - that would DESTROY my gun fun funds for about 3 years! I do have basically something close. Husqvarna Rem RB 18" hvy Rnd bbl with Vernier and globe front (which I need to replace with bubble globe front)!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chill Wills View Post
    Tho well meaning, I think you two are spreading fake news
    The Sharps Brochardt and the Ruger #3 & #1 are able to compete in all NRA Black Powder Target Rifle matches.
    yes, the NRA has gone the way of the NMLRA, much to the disgust of many.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rfd View Post
    yes, the NRA has gone the way of the NMLRA, much to the disgust of many.
    Well actually the Ruger and other hammerless rifles have been legal in NRA BPTR since the rules were reinvented. The Borchardt actually went out of production in 1880, and why it was left out of the legal rifles when they came up with the BPCR silhouette rules is something of a quandary.
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    This whole hammer vs. hammerless rule is stupid, and has always caused hard feelings amongst Sharps Borchardt owners who wanted to compete with their old guns. Considering almost every competition uses chamber flags and doesn't rely on hammers to indicate if a gun is safe, it never made any sense.

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    The Borchardt rule is a puzzle, as by the end of the Creedmoor range and even carrying into Sea Grist, the majority of people using Sharps rifles were shooting the Borchardt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marlinman93 View Post
    This whole hammer vs. hammerless rule is stupid, and has always caused hard feelings amongst Sharps Borchardt owners who wanted to compete with their old guns. Considering almost every competition uses chamber flags and doesn't rely on hammers to indicate if a gun is safe, it never made any sense.
    I understand your point of view. However, if you are an NRA competitor, you know it is just the sanctioned NRA BPCR silhouette matches that have the 1896 rule and the additional rule about hammers. All other matches either allow them or if not, it is a local match/rule. All NRA and international matches have no such rules for "BPCR target rifle" competition.

    Disclaimer; I hope I have been clear enough to not have someone reading this respond 'our bla-bla match down here" doesn't let this rifle or that rifle action play! What goes on at someone's 'one-off' match is up to them. I hear a lot of opinions on rules expressed from people that have never attended one of these sanctioned matches. Please come and shoot one time! Loading BP is not hard. You will be pleased and have fun. We are a very friendly bunch!
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    It is not just NRA BPCR matches that have this rule. There are a number of long range dinger shoots that also do not allow hammerless guns. I realize these may not be NRA sanctioned, or affiliated to a national organization, but there are others. See SASS Long Rang Rifle rules. Or MRPA rules. Or, etc., etc.
    I think most of those who don't allow hammerless guns are doing so because they like a certain look to the guns on their line. It certainly isn't because a Borchardt or Ruger is unsafe without a hammer.
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    Yes.

    I don't know how else to say it.
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    The major gong matches, Badlands, Quigley, Baker, Ekalaka, Tensleep, and Alliance all allow for "hammerless" rifles.
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