WidenersInline FabricationTitan ReloadingLee Precision
StainLess Steel MediaRotoMetals2Graf & SonsMidSouth Shooters Supply

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 38

Thread: Midway usa's shocking indifference to customer

  1. #1
    Boolit Master MOA's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Mobile, Alabama, formally from Arizona Territory.
    Posts
    584

    Midway usa's shocking indifference to customer

    Well, I was really looking forward to casting up and shooting my two new arrivals. A Remington, and a Husqvarna rolling blocks in 12,7x44R.

    I DO NOT KNOW IF I WILL EVER SHOOT THEM NOW BECAUSE THE ALLOY FOR CHAMBER CASTING FROM MIDWAY WILL NOT RELEASE FROM CHAMBERS.

    BOTH RIFLES ARE NOW USELESS.

    Called Midway when first rifle would not release after 15 minutes, and second one would not release after 10 minutes. No answers except to wait an hour an try again.........still stuck after a hour, was told, sorry, maybe I should go to a gunsmith, sorry, we have no gunsmith or any technical help here we just sell stuff, product department thought maybe boiling water might help loosen alloy, but no instruction as to how to go about using boiling water.

    So maybe a heads up for anyone else who is thinking about using Midways product. Enjoy my pictures. That's a 1/4 " solid aluminum rod. And even with a sledge hammer I use on firewood would not free the alloy after one hour. The rod now has a nice nail head look to it.

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	20180405_131726.jpg 
Views:	203 
Size:	46.2 KB 
ID:	217681


    The official response.
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Screenshot_2018-04-05-14-48-51.jpg 
Views:	173 
Size:	41.7 KB 
ID:	217684
    Last edited by MOA; 04-05-2018 at 03:52 PM.

  2. #2
    Boolit Man
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    Location
    Boise Idaho
    Posts
    116
    Did you try removing the stocks and submerging in a large pot of boiling water?

  3. #3
    Boolit Master

    Omega's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Clarksville, TN
    Posts
    813
    You are supposed to remove the cast in about 2 to 4 minutes from pouring. It will begin expanding after a few minutes (it contracts first) and in 1.5 hours it is the size of your bore. You will have to remelt it at least part ways. Use a soldering iron to melt it out, or a small torch but be careful not to overheat the chamber.

    Here is what I did yesterday with four barrels: I sprayed mold release into the chamber, just a dusting, you can use a light coat of sprue plate lube. I plugged the barrel with an aluminum check, smooth side toward the end of the barrel. I melted the cerrosafe and poured it into the chamber, waited about two or three minutes and used an aluminum rod to pound it out, just a few light taps did it. I did have one in which I poured wider than the locking lugs so had to remelt it a bit, but it melts quickly in a direct flame.

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	10-5 SS 4.jpg 
Views:	73 
Size:	142.9 KB 
ID:	217683
    "Freedom is the sure possession of those alone who have the courage to defend it."
    ~Pericles~

  4. #4
    Moderator

    ShooterAZ's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Flagstaff, AZ
    Posts
    4,113
    Boiling water (212* at sea level) is above the melt temp of cerrosafe (approx 190*). Removing the stocks and immersing the barrel "might" just work to soften it up enough to remove it. I'd try that first before going to more drastic measures.

  5. #5
    Boolit Bub
    Join Date
    Jun 2016
    Location
    Florida
    Posts
    42
    Take a minute to chill out, and have a beer. I've been there and dun that already, and its really easy to fix!

    Take the wood off of the gun, and with the gun in a vice up side down and muzzle pointed the the ceiling at about a 40 degree angle gently heat the chamber with a torch and it'll fall right out!
    Don't **** me
    When I speak a piece of my mind
    'Cause silence isn't golden
    When I'm holding it inside.
    G'n'R

  6. #6
    Boolit Master


    Walter Laich's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2005
    Location
    Cypress, Republic of Texas
    Posts
    3,071
    I was thinking one of those really hot heat guns might do the trick. Not a hair heat gun but one that gets seriously hot
    NRA Life
    USPSA L1314
    SASS Life 48747
    RVN War Games, 2nd Place

  7. #7
    Boolit Master


    thegatman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    New York State of Confusion
    Posts
    292
    Thanks for the heads up. It seems lots of good advice too.

  8. #8
    Boolit Master

    Bent Ramrod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    Southern Arizona
    Posts
    3,169
    Boil water in a whistling tea kettle, take off the wood and as much of the metal parts that you can, and hold the receiver/barrel in the steam. Have somebody pushing on a cleaning rod in the bore until what's left of the casting pushes out. Shake out the molten drops and wipe the chamber with an oily rag. Melt the Cerrosafe again, put the cleaning rod with a patch into the muzzle up to the leade, warm the receiver and chamber and pour the casting. As soon as that casting frosts over in the center, tap or push it out of the chamber with the cleaning rod. Let it cool and expand outside the chamber for measurement. The reason that Cerrisafe makes for such accurate measurements is that it doesn't shrink after cooling, like most alloys. As you've found out, this is not an unalloyed advantage. (*Rim-shot*)

    As Harry Pope said in his catalog about all the people who got absent-minded in their loading routines and shot their false muzzles off their rifles, "Who has not done this?" If I seem to be the Voice of Experience here, there is a reason. Don't ask.

  9. #9
    Boolit Master
    slim1836's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2010
    Location
    Burleson, TX
    Posts
    1,066
    Let us know how this story pans out.

    Slim
    DISCLAIMER: This is a generic comment. It is not directed at any specific human
    being, real or fictional. The comments in this message speak directly to the
    TOPIC no matter the quoted clips - and nothing else. If I have not typed your
    name, specifically, into the message, it IS NOT ABOUT YOU.

  10. #10
    Boolit Master

    Omega's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Clarksville, TN
    Posts
    813
    I got my data from this article and seem to match what I measured as I did mine.
    http://www.texas-mac.com/Case_Length...mpression.html
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Table_1_Incorrect_Expansion_Factors.jpg 
Views:	44 
Size:	49.2 KB 
ID:	217691
    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Table_2_Correct_Expansion_Factors.jpg 
Views:	47 
Size:	55.2 KB 
ID:	217692
    "Freedom is the sure possession of those alone who have the courage to defend it."
    ~Pericles~

  11. #11
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Apr 2013
    Location
    Northern California
    Posts
    625
    Yep, been there, done that.

    Now I use a heat gun to preheat the chamber and receiver after plugging the barrel. I pour in the Cerrosafe and watch closely.

    I have a rod in the bore ready to go. After the Cerrosafe frosts over I count to 10 and tap it out.

  12. #12
    Boolit Master MOA's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Mobile, Alabama, formally from Arizona Territory.
    Posts
    584
    Well, I got one rifle done. Real pita. Stripped gun complete. Arranged over ingot tray put the heat to it. Punched out tail end of cast.

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Photo0537.jpg 
Views:	54 
Size:	56.6 KB 
ID:	217700

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	Photo0539.jpg 
Views:	57 
Size:	58.9 KB 
ID:	217701

    Then like a moron, I decide I will recast..........so I recast it, waited 1 minute an attempted to knock cast out. A big no go. So much for my solid 1/4 rod.

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	20180405_183624.jpg 
Views:	52 
Size:	23.7 KB 
ID:	217702

    So, FORGET IT. THESE SUCKERS WILL NOT BE CHAMBER CAST. I WILL FIND ANOTHER WAY TO SEE IF THEY SHOOT. IF THEY DON'T THEN I WILL REBARREL. I'VE MOVED ON FROM THIS ****.

    Will fix rifle #2 tomorrow. Will never, ever, ever, spend a dime with Midway as long as I draw breath. I would rather pay twice the price somewhere else, or do without, period.
    Last edited by ShooterAZ; 04-05-2018 at 09:08 PM. Reason: Language

  13. #13
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Location
    UPSTATE new york
    Posts
    715
    sorry to hear all that--I liked the beer part - by any chance you have pits in there?

  14. #14
    Boolit Master Boolit_Head's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2014
    Posts
    886
    Maybe these instructions would help.

    On every question of construction let us carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed.

    Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Johnson, June 12, 1823

  15. #15
    Boolit Master

    Omega's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Clarksville, TN
    Posts
    813
    Did you lube the chamber, and made sure the sprue was not too wide?
    "Freedom is the sure possession of those alone who have the courage to defend it."
    ~Pericles~

  16. #16
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Sep 2012
    Posts
    240
    Maybe you can ask Larry to come over and cast it for you. He seemed to be pretty good at it in the video posted above.

  17. #17
    Boolit Master
    Join Date
    Jul 2014
    Location
    Austin TX
    Posts
    260
    The other thing to watch is that you fill the chamber too full. i.e. you get the cerrosafe into a locking lug depression or the like. The heat guns used for shrinking tubing will work for getting out the stuck metal.

    The advice of something as a mold release is good. Once you have done it, you'll wonder why anyone would have a problem. If you keep the castings, you can measure them after they expand and still find the true measurement. If you foul up you will hate it. There are other alloys used, but cerrosafe is the easiest and best.

    Ed C

  18. #18
    Boolit Master MOA's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Mobile, Alabama, formally from Arizona Territory.
    Posts
    584
    Quote Originally Posted by Omega View Post
    Did you lube the chamber, and made sure the sprue was not too wide?
    Yes, spray lubed the chamber. If you looked at the first set of images, you would have noticed that I did not quite fill them up to the top. My interest in the casting was the leade and size of free bore if any. I watch Larry's video before I ordered the chamber casting material. I will say this......the product is not cerrosafe. Cerrosafe the real deal usually is a ingot and it has their product name on it, I don't know what this stuff noway is selling be I doubt it is cerrosafe even if they use they name in their product description. I do wonder if the makers of cerrosafe are selling their product to noway. Maybe I'll call them next week an see if they do business with noway. But I digress. I followed all the steps and procedures shown in the video. The second time less then 2 minute before I tried to get it out. Still a no go. Will not be doing chambers casts on these, they either shoot or they will be rebarreled. Period.

  19. #19
    Boolit Master MOA's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Mobile, Alabama, formally from Arizona Territory.
    Posts
    584
    Quote Originally Posted by Fluxed View Post
    Maybe you can ask Larry to come over and cast it for you. He seemed to be pretty good at it in the video posted above.
    Larry can put it where the sun don't shine.

  20. #20
    Boolit Master MOA's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2012
    Location
    Mobile, Alabama, formally from Arizona Territory.
    Posts
    584
    Quote Originally Posted by edctexas View Post
    The other thing to watch is that you fill the chamber too full. i.e. you get the cerrosafe into a locking lug depression or the like. The heat guns used for shrinking tubing will work for getting out the stuck metal.

    The advice of something as a mold release is good. Once you have done it, you'll wonder why anyone would have a problem. If you keep the castings, you can measure them after they expand and still find the true measurement. If you foul up you will hate it. There are other alloys used, but cerrosafe is the easiest and best.

    Ed C
    Geeeezzzzzz, rollers don't have no locking lugs. Chambers were not filled to the top. Review initial post images. Enlarge if you need a closer and clearer image. The fullest pour was still .1670 below the rim recess. The second rifle had a 1/4" below rim recess. The pour, or the amount, or the lube, or the elapsed time is not the issue.

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Abbreviations used in Reloading

BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check