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    I own a pair of 70's, both in 270 which is the caliber God intended a Winchester 70 to be chambered in. One is a post-64 push feed gun and the other is a lefty with the pre-64 CRF action that was one of the last rifles out the door before Winchester closed the New Haven plant. The lefty has a beautiful piece of well-fitted walnut and will put three shots touching at 100 yards. The push feed gun was the first CF rifle I ever bought (in 1989) and has a laminated stock and a thin barrel. It seems equally as well built, although not quite as accurate. It shoots 1.5" at 100 yards.

    The pre-64 guns are sought after primarily because of nostalgia, and because of the CRF action. My experience is that the older guns are 2-3" shooters in general. The old machinery Winchester was using to make those guns was ancient stuff driven by overhead belts, with so much slop and backlash it took a real craftsman to be able to hold tolerance with it. When they switched the design they switched machines as well and the post-64 guns were held to tighter tolerances. Or at least that's the story I read somewhere years ago. I can tell you I have never held a pre-64 that is as well built as my 2005 gun.
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    cant argue with a thing. Except I'm not a 270 fan. God uses an 06!!
    Quote Originally Posted by Elkins45 View Post
    I own a pair of 70's, both in 270 which is the caliber God intended a Winchester 70 to be chambered in. One is a post-64 push feed gun and the other is a lefty with the pre-64 CRF action that was one of the last rifles out the door before Winchester closed the New Haven plant. The lefty has a beautiful piece of well-fitted walnut and will put three shots touching at 100 yards. The push feed gun was the first CF rifle I ever bought (in 1989) and has a laminated stock and a thin barrel. It seems equally as well built, although not quite as accurate. It shoots 1.5" at 100 yards.

    The pre-64 guns are sought after primarily because of nostalgia, and because of the CRF action. My experience is that the older guns are 2-3" shooters in general. The old machinery Winchester was using to make those guns was ancient stuff driven by overhead belts, with so much slop and backlash it took a real craftsman to be able to hold tolerance with it. When they switched the design they switched machines as well and the post-64 guns were held to tighter tolerances. Or at least that's the story I read somewhere years ago. I can tell you I have never held a pre-64 that is as well built as my 2005 gun.
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    The modern CRF model 70 rifles are also very nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Love Life View Post
    The modern CRF model 70 rifles are also very nice.
    I am holding myself to a commitment to not buy another bolt gun that isn’t left handed, and FN unfortunately doesn’t seem to be in any big hurry to reintroduce the LH version.

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    cant argue with a thing. Except I'm not a 270 fan. God uses an 06!!
    God uses one of those old English double gun cartridges like 600 nitro express or something like that.
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    Although it's a fine cartridge and what my only pre64 m70 was chambered in; I don't care for the .270.
    And God just points- no gun needed!

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    there is also a feather weight that came out in about 57/58 its the same control feed but they cut 2in on barrel dont have the center screw they put a fold down rear sight . most have a double hole in stock to reduce the weight , and most had a needed recoil pad. mine shoots as good but the recoil makes you want to make that first shot count .
    the pre 64 had an adjustable trigger. . i never changed any of my 3. i had the old 50 model rebored to 338-06 and it a one hole gun at 100yds. off a lead sled.
    when i got it back i shot 3 shots at 50 yds and thought something was wrong as there was 1 hole

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    bottom line is you can't go wrong with a model 70
    pre 64 or post 64
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    I picked up my only Winchester 70 bolt, a post 64 1973 30-06 model, at a pawn shop a couple of years ago for less than $200. Definitely not a show piece, but it shoots 1/2 moa. Mine has the pre 64 style trigger.

    Also didn’t the pre64 have a barrel swell to accommodate the dovetail cut rear sight?

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    But IF God did need a rifle, it would be a pre 64 300 HH!

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    My nephew has a .308 FN Police bolt action (pre64m70 by any other name) that is an honest 1/4" gun. It's amazingly heavy too. The hard case has wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas by God View Post
    My nephew has a .308 FN Police bolt action (pre64m70 by any other name) that is an honest 1/4" gun. It's amazingly heavy too. The hard case has wheels.

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    My first brand new rifle was (is) a pre 64 m70fw in 308. I actually got the gun in 64 from a business that was selling out to allow I-70 through. I still have it and it is a nail driver. I always
    shoot the roofing nails holding the target just to Jack the guys at the range. Worst kicking rifle
    I own. In early 70s I was collecting them, or hording them, the 300 & 375H&Hs were favorites too.
    They weren't fancy, but were the best on the market. I always wanted the Military Match version
    but got wrapped up in 22 Target pistols and never got ahold of one. I don't even look at Wins
    that are not Pre 64. My brother has a Super Grade 375 made in 80s, it's not bad but not near
    as slick as a pre 64.

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