There wasnt room to title this post:
"Nice rifles, WEIRD rounds, Ignorant shooter......and Cast Boolits" so adding it here.
So I'm getting old. So I wanted something different but LEGAL (of course) in our SUBstandard Indiana deer hunting reg limitations for "deer hunting rifles".
So I wanted to hunt with a bolt action rifle like the big boys of my childhood I eagerly read about every chance I got. I cant afford a SXS rifle or it would be right up there LOL.
So..........I..........am making MY OWN ROUND, or rather my "smith" is........just my idea.
Yep.....358 win would "do it all and then some" for Indiana whitetail (minimum legal bore of .357) but NOPE......brass is too long and seems SUCH a waste to set a barrel back and trim so little off the round to fit our uh.....ahem...."legal limit" of 1.8 inch for the cartridge case, besides it would confuse the conservation officer and Id muck up trying to explain it all.
Read all the super wissum whang bang reports on the "Indiana legal" wildcats, the 358 Hoosier Deer Hunter, the 358 WSSM.......358 Indiana express....and on and on. Eh.........too much work, too much money, too afraid of those little bitty short necks in some of them........."me no like"........ugh.
So......my thoughts ran like this.
A.358 bore rifle (no custom barrel needed)
Short action (short round)
Easy brass to find and make
Parent cartridge that HOLDS SOME POWDER, that will be reduced.
As little as possible in "smith" work (cost)
A "kinda slow twist" for cast if I want and wont be "NEEDING" 250 grain boolits and 2 tons of energy for a whiteail (but I CAN go see Sis in MT.....bigger deer there.......called ELK, lol)
Yep. The 358 Winny about fits it in factory form......just too long, by a tad and as said, I wanted "different than the rest of the boys on the block".
Ive Picked My Round.......and Rifle......and they are all on the way to the smith as I type, as are the dies to "cut off", trim and 3 die set complete. (Still cheaper than "custom dies".......did I mention Im a tight wad? lol)
What is it? I'll tell ya in a sec. (bored yet? )
What i need from you all whom shoot cast in the big bore rifles is a little experienced info. I already "bothered" one of you main guys here then thought......hey, I wont be VERY embarrassed LOL! , so Im asking all of you.
.358 CBs......,and I'm assuming GC are the more logical, HOW FAST can one push the 190-210 grainers in a 1-16 twist without creating "ISSUES" with my bore?
Eyeballing the RCBS 35-200 and the Ranch Dog 190 grain RNFL gc for deer sized (probably a lot bigger too) and while I searched here......I just had to ask.
How fast you guys pushing these bullets? I see some listed in the 35 Whelen at speeds Im NOT sure Id try. Looks like barrel trouble to me...but as said, Im ignorant.
So.....if you would? How fast you pushing them babies and how do they perform and to what range?
I do NOT need a "long range" deer gun.......this one will be plenty long and WAY plenty big for whiteail for heavens sake.
Not sure what IN is thinking concering the "safety" of centerfires being an issue but.............??
My Model 700 Classic in 350 Remington Mag, the FIRST of the "short magnums" 1965, (1-16 twist, 22 inch) is on the way to the smith with Redding trim and loading dies. Custom reamer from PT&G. Set back, rechamber, trim dies...........all done! Form and trim brass, load and shoot.........and repeat. A "baby" 350 rem mag. 1.795 inches long.
Capacity? Guessing......eh......around 358 Win equivalent......maybe a little more. More on that later on if anyone is interested.
Brass? Anything belted, cut off and formed. (who cares if they only load 3-5 times....reportedly.......how many deer you think I can SHOOT? lol)
Velocity/Trajectory? More than Ill need for 200 yard max shots. I dont need the "fastest" but Ill have something dang close....I think.
Energy? Is the 358 Win enough for deer? LOL.....Id think. Ive never shot one but lordy Momma.
Ill probably load it DOWN more often than not LOL! If I get some unscratched ITCH to go to 300 yards, some J bullets will be around to try but 99.9 percent of my shots are under 150 yards, 80 percent under 100.
CAST boolits for it?
I DID SAY......I wanted something "different"............I think I succeeded.
God Bless
Steve
PS.........Yeah, I know, my buddy's and mine will probably be the only ones in exsistance (except the smith is building himself a full stock one) but I "named it" anyway.
NAME SWITCH.....Sorry. The "CXP2" and others are an Olin Mfg trademark. Problems or not.......wont go there.
A small note on reasoning but the / my round is the "350 JMR" and will be desinated as such from this time forth.
Regardless if you wish to recall the 350 "Junior Magnum Round".......which is fine, here locally it will be a tribute to someone we've lost but is in our hearts and mind always.
The "350 Jenny". Jenny M. Reid....(JMR)..taken from us by Cancer, May 24, 2012. Yet ANOTHER cool reason for a wildcat.......I get to name it too since not really FOR anyone else.
YOU heard it here first! "The 350 JMR" Sure wont have an issue loading the bullets way out of the case like on the parent cartridge!