i just bought a pair of 38 snubby's for the wife and I about a week ago .1 is a new Taurus and the other a new rossi , I've never been a big fan of either but to be honest were both are very happy with them. she picked the Taurus I cant remember the model number but its the new 6 shot version of the 85 and mine is a rossi mod 351 . ive been loading a lee powder coated 105 gr swc bullet over 3.5 gr of red dot with very good accuracy at 7 yrds and they shoot at point of aim . we've also been shooting allot of 148 gr powder coated dewc from a lee tumble lube mold over 2.7 gr of bullseye also with very good accuracy . ive also been able to put the wad cutter load on paper at 25 yrds with the rossi , not dead nuts accurate at that distance, but not to bad either .