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    I've had TWO back surgeries........and still have mild pain. Normally ibuprofen helps...but does not eradicate.....the pain. I try to be very careful of my back but on occasion I do something stupid and I NEED those pills. I have a 30 day supply that lasts me about 4 months, which shows you how few I actually take.

    I understand there's an opioid problem.........but I'm not causing it and I'll be hanged if some government agency is going to make my life miserable because of someone else's abuse!

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    Exactly!!!! I think that's what we're all sayin'.
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    I`m 72 and I know all about the"Rice Krispy Kids" syndrome.Had back and joint problems for more years than I care to think about.Local so called "Pain Clinics"are a joke.
    Rude receptionists and even more rude and WGAS attitude Drs make me want to puke.
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    What really ticked me off is Walmart pushed narcan at me last refill. I have been using these for 10 years, never upped the dose, in fact I lowered it on my own...

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    My best friend lost his wife a few years ago because of tylenol poisoning. It killed her liver. She was on long term lortab for some stomach problems. She was feeling really sick so she took some tylenol cold and flu. It was too much. It wasn't the opiod that killed her but they probably wrote it up that way.

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    At one point I was dealing with some late blooming wisdom teeth. One of which got impacted, stuck at an angle and hooked on the molar in front of it.

    My wife had pushed me towards Aleeve. Finally surgery happened and they pulled the impacted one, the other one backed off for a spell.

    But after almost a year of regularly taking 2-4 aleeve a day I could tell I was on the edge of major problems.

    So I quit all of it, if I was hurting bad enough I would take 2 aspirin in a 24 hour period, no more.

    Slowly over 3 years I felt myself cleansing and pulling back from that cliff edge I had been standing on.

    The more I have read and studied about Aleeve and Nsaid's the more scared I got.

    I was a lucky guy.

    And the world of Medicine does not know half the stuff it thinks it does. And it is really poor at studying long term reactions of anything.

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    I took them for 5 years daily. Don't know why but the addition never got ahold of me. I drank like a fish up till about the age of 30 too but never HAD to have a drink and never had withdrawls. That said even the guys here that need them and or take them know the terrible problems they have caused some familys. My own daughter was (is because your never cured) a pain pill junky. prescription pills are the biggest drug problem in this country. It far outpaces heroin or cocaine or meth. If something helps 10 percent of the people that use it and hurts 90 percent it has to be looked at plain and simple. It today is the scourge of this country plain and simple.

    Like char char I thought they were the only answer until one day I just said no more. Like him I hurt for a week or two and its slowly faded. Am I pain free? Nope. bottom line is few are and if your doing drugs to be PAIN FREE your taking to many period. At 60 years old everyone has aches and pains and in this modern world everyone wants a magic pill that makes it go away. Am I confindent the government will control it right? Hell no! What do they ever control right?? I think what needs to be done is to take every doctor that prescribes and hold them accountable. Make them fill out paper work every month that shows theres a need. Make it not so simple as a stroke of the pen to give someone wining narcotics to shut them up. give the each a quota. Ill pick 10 as an arbitrary number because every doctor in the country doesn't treat the same amount of people. tell the they are allowed to let 10 of there worse patitents have them and cut the rest off. If they get a new one that needs them badly then old number 10 gets shown the door. Or a common sense solution is pain clinics. Quit allowing gps and even surgeons to prescribe them.

    I made it though my last back surgery without them. My doctor told me hes against narcotics and if I thought it was necessary he would either refer me to a different surgeon or send my case to the local pain clinic and they could decided treatment. I know some absolutely need them. My best friend cannot even get out of bed without his oxy and liquid morphine for bad days and even full of both many times goes a week or more not being able to even get out of bed. Those types need it and it shouldn't be taken away. Who even cares if there addicted. they have very little life and none without them. Terminal cancer paitents? same thing. But surgery? Ive had 6 back surgerys, an ankle repair surgery and an replacement and hip replacement, two carpal tunnel operations. Sorry to the winers but theres not a single one of them that 3 days later I couldn't get by without narcotics. Yes they made it easier but I sure didn't NEED THEM! The trap for me was after the 3 and 4 back surgery. I had them about a month apart and was just starting to heal from the first when **** in a basket happened and I was back in again. I had a surgeon and a family doctor that had no problem giving me narcotics even long term. I had 10mg oxycodone 4 times a day. I didn't take near that. If I would have id be sitting in the chair drooling. I also got liquid morphine for bad days. Now I proabably took 1/3 to 1/2 that and at the end of the month flushed the rest down the toilet and got a new script. I was afraid if I told the doc I didn't use it all that he would cut me back or cut me off. I was in the mindset of some others in that I didn't think I should suffer one bit. If I had a sore elbow, two oxys if I had a headache 2 oxys. If my back was sore from sitting at the loading bench to long, 2 oxys. Every night and every morning I had to take laxatives so I could go may once ever 3 days. I finally just said enough. I told my doctor no more. He said he was good with that and if I needed something to help me through withdrawls he would happily do it and would recommend some counseling. I never had one bit of withdrawls. if I did it was a 1/10 of the withdrawls I had quiting smoking (the only think I ever was really addicted to)

    Id about bet half the people out there that take them are in the same category as me. they want them they don't NEED them. Some will say NO WAY, I'm not going to a pain doctor on top of my regular doctor. I cant afford it. Well if you really think that way your not in REAL pain. Everyone here owns a gun or two a casting setup a reloading setup ect. IF YOUR suffering REAL pain youd gladly give up a gun to have it stop. Most of us here have insurance or medicare anyway so its not like its costing you your home or pickup to go and see a pain specialist. If you are in REAL pain I would think you would gladly go see someone who specializes in it rather then your local GP who treats mostly colds and cut fingers. He might even have a treatement for you that works that doesn't require narcotics. But then that is the main thing that scares some. Having to face the fact they taken them to long. Its easier to scream pain then admit that macho you let drugs get ahold of you.

    Bottom line is this is a big problem in our country and SOMETHING has to be done. Fact is its not like gun control where you have a rift between conservatives and liberals. EVERYONE wants something done about this problem. Very few familys haven't been effected adversely in one way or another. If I really felt I needed them id be making myself an appointment tommarow with the nearest pain clinic and getting my foot in the door before theres a big rush because something is going to happen. Don't be surprised though when that pain doctor wants you to try stuff that takes you out of your confort zone. LIKE EXERCISE, THEROPY, DIET ECT. Bottom line is you had better be looking at alternatives because the days of having them handed out like m&ms is fast ending.
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    Well, just saw pain management Md that Ive had for over a year, he is a " no surgery" guy, hes quitting his group here and moving to Fl. Have seen an older MD in the group who I' ll see next, excellent guy. MRI the 11 th so neuro. surgeon will give me options. He told me that surgery will not take away ALL pain, told him fine, just get the " knife " out of my back. We will see. Been on tramidol, no problems as just need the bad pain gone, going to have some pain regardless, can deal with that. Not taking OTC pain meds, heard and seen way to many people worst off after years ot them. Addiction is a horrible problem , far to many cant face life and use drugs as a way out.
    Unless you were in Vietnam and saw the GIs addicted, the stuff they did was almost pure, little green plastic vials all over the place, no metal spoons, random pee tests every month and their lives ruined and shortened. There was a low life that got his dog hooked. Kind of thing that leaves a permanite impression in one mind, never forget.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beagle333 View Post
    I think this is bad news for those of us who use opioids wisely and judiciously and in accordance with our doctor's orders.

    http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare...emic-on-monday

    The scariest part is that they plan to let the Feds monitor who really needs them. How would they know better than my doctor, who has years of personal experience in monitoring my pain and needs?

    Well, I don't really NEED "numerous prescriptions", but since they won't give me more than a one month supply and they can't give refills, then I do need at least one prescription per month.

    And I have read about the studies that show that opioids are not the best thing for long term chronic pain. I might agree with that, due to a tolerance build-up if you don't follow the directions and take breaks. But I don't have chronic pain. I have acute pain. It isn't like a burn or a sore muscle or even a big cut, where the pain is fairly constant and ongoing. It's like a midget with a knife has jumped me and is stabbing me in the leg. (vascular problems) It comes on fast and it needs to be knocked out fast, so it needs a strong, rapidly-acting drug, which currently is only available as an opioid. I don't need to take two pills of something every 8 hours, three times a day, because I don't hurt all day, and sometimes it might skip a couple of days. But when it hits, it hits hard and fast and my Percodan is the answer for it.
    Beagle I feel your pain. I've had three spinal fusions over 30 years and my entire cervical spine is fused all the way up except for 1-2. Blew out a shoulder a few years back and there's so much scar tissue on my right side all you can see is white on an X-ray. I've felt like a **** drug addict since all this **** started and I'm sick to death of being treated that way and hearing about how legitimate users who NEED pain medications to function have created "the opiod epidemic" HORSE PUCKY! I'm 60 years old, I see my doctor regularly and HE KNOWS what I go through.

    My wife was diagnosed five years ago with spinal stenosis and got sent to a "Pain Management Clinic" READ = QUACKS! They tried painful injections and then put her on a pain medication that worked only marginally (Gabbapentin - originally developed to deal with siezures....in DOGS..) and was also HIGHLY ADDICTIVE. I watched her go through hell to get off that ****. Now she just hurts.

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    Pain meds don't make me pain free, they dull it enough that I can get moving and have a semi productive day. I haven't been pain free since I was 16 and first trashed my spine. Lived with it and dealt with it until 46 when I blew both shoulders out, carpal tunnel both sides, shredded knee cartilage, torn ACL both knees... all stuff that slowly built up over the years until it reached a crest that retired me.

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    I'm on Vicodin, have been for4-5 years. It was Amadol before that, for some reason the VA switched to Vicodin.

    I used Ibuprofen for years before that, as soon as it became an over the counter med. IBU just did not do all I needed it to do. I had heard that excessive use could damage organs, so I asked an emergency room doc what was the max 24 hour dosage, he said 2400 MG. So I used that much in 18 hours.

    All I had to do was ask my NP, (nurse practitioner), about some stronger pain meds. It was "no problemo", here ya go.

    I have multiple areas of pain, both knees, neck, lower back, and left shoulder,(that's directly caused by degenerative disc disease in my neck. (As well as lower back.)

    Like Mary, the drugs do NOT eliminate the pain, just make it bearable. I can't lift more than 10 pounds, or I risk severe pain in the lower back. I have never gotten "high" on Vicodin, it simply works on the pains.

    I'm 72, things are just going to get worse, just when politicians want to seem like they're actually doing something . By that I mean saying they're doing something about the opiate problem. My NP is already saying I have to start tapering off the Vicodin. Just when I wanted something stronger like 10/235's. I got laughed at! I'm prescribed up to 8 5/325 Vicodin pills spaced out at every 4 hours X2. I seldom take all 8, so I'm hoarding the leftover pills for when they are forced to remove them from my script list. My "bank" should have a 6 month supply pretty soon.

    My answer to my NP is ;well find me an alternative. Her first answer is therapy, well what they offer is exercise. Uh-huh, move those degenerated joints more to make them hurt worse. Or the classic, train my brain to ignore the pain, RIGHT!!! They did suggest acupuncture, which I accepted and am now going for my 5th weekly treatment. This soon after starting, the jury is still out. It doesn't hardly hurt, but it hasn't helped either.

    My other therapy is Chiropractic. That has been non stop since 1973. Various chiro's have kept me straight all those years. A bad accident in 1966 left me with untreated whiplash, and a torn meniscus (while in the AF), my problems with knees and back all originated there. A so-called doctor at Travis AFB said "quit whining, get back to work".

    I applaud those of you that can "deal" with your pain. Either your pain is not as severe as mine or you have an incredibly high pain tolerance. But please don't criticize us that really need opiates to control ours.
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    There is always some know it all blow hard who thinks he knows how to deal with everyone's pain. He doesn't. If you have a family that is addiction prone don't think the rest of us are like you.
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    The misconception that opioid users are walking around pain free and giddy is very common. I don't even think I could take enough opioids to be "pain free" (but I haven't tried, it would have to be well above my current dosage, if that level even exists). I do have others tell me how "nice it must be" to be on opioids and how they wish they had something that would "take away their pain" and make life blissful and happy.

    Well, this isn't that magic bullet. I only get three a day on the bad days, and it sure doesn't make it pain free, it makes it so that I am not just writhing with the pain and can hobble around without streaming tears and slinging curses, and sometimes it dulls it back to a level where I can grab a little sleep. I still work a regular job for my living and I have to be functional to survive.
    I suppose there's no way to explain it to those who haven't got or had real pain. It'd be like explaining color to a blind person or something similar. You'd have to be a pretty good wordsmith. Fortunately I have only had two days in the past week and a half where I needed all three that day. But it would be real misery if they weren't available and I had to just "be tough" and ride it out.
    But that misconception is also what works against our case for keeping opioids available. Too many people think we want them so we can get "high".
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    I am on 24/7 pain meds for my back and neck. Doctors all have said surgery is not an option and I have never had a pain free day since taking pain meds. I sneezed hard three times Friday and was in the worst pain of my life until around 8:00 am Saturday morning taking and doing everything I could. Almost went to the hospital it was so bad. Spending every night on the floor again - I spent five years on the floor previously and hurt my marriage. Now I have to jump through hoops for the meds every month even being on a disability retirement with all the MRI's, etc. all because someone else is abusing. Kinda like blaming the gun for the shootings instead of the shooter.

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    In 2010 the morons outlawed Darvocet. At that time 10 million people were taking it. I suspect that they all got shifted over to vicodin.

    I would bet that Vicodin has killed way more people than did Darvocet.

    I would also bet that big pharma would be happy to supply alternate non generic pain killers at much higher prices than the old generics.
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    Count me into the group of the ostrascized. I have degenerative disk disease, (3 herniated disks, L5-S1 is ruptured), scoliosis, sciatica/neuropathy, arthritis and probably something im forgetting. I'm 35 now and already this deep in it so yea I rely upon pain meds and have done so the past 17yrs without problems. I don't need anyone but my doctor taking care of my health.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MrWolf View Post
    I am on 24/7 pain meds for my back and neck. Doctors all have said surgery is not an option and I have never had a pain free day since taking pain meds. I sneezed hard three times Friday and was in the worst pain of my life until around 8:00 am Saturday morning taking and doing everything I could. Almost went to the hospital it was so bad. Spending every night on the floor again - I spent five years on the floor previously and hurt my marriage. Now I have to jump through hoops for the meds every month even being on a disability retirement with all the MRI's, etc. all because someone else is abusing. Kinda like blaming the gun for the shootings instead of the shooter.
    Excellent analogy/comparison in Bold. IMO , of course....
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    My heart goes out to all of you who I feel I've sort of gotten to know through your posts over the years. Six years ago I had a meniscus split. It felt (like I would actually know) like being hit by lightning. At least it hit at that speed. For the next five years I was on 6 to 8 ibuprofen every day just to keep the pain and inflammation manageable. A year ago I had a total knee replacement. I was on hydrocodone for a while afterward but haven't had any since last July and have probably not had more than two dozen ibuprofen since. I was more concerned about the years of ibuprofen than the hydrocodone but was still glad to get off of it. Your experiences make me feel very fortunate. The knee isn't perfect but I can get out in the shop and work as long as I want now without my knee hurting. The feet hurt after 8-10 hours but whose don't?

    The doc said he "had to do a little extra" on my knee but won't elaborate which caused me to be on pain meds much longer than other knee replacement patients I know. His reluctance to elaborate disqualifies him from doing anything else to me in the future.
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    well I feel for you guys that NEED them because youd better be looking for alternatives because probably within 5 years your doctor isn't going to be able to give them to you even if he wants to. If nothing else there going to make it such a pain in the but for your doctor that he isn't going to be willing to go through all the hassle. Add to that the fact that many doctors are all for banning them. It would mean many who are on the fence about surgery and other treatment would forced to try them. Putting more money in there pockets. Bottom line is most of America today wants very stringent controls put on prescribed narcotics and the few users that really need them are going to suffer because all of the abusers.

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