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Thread: Jacketed Performance with Cast Bullets

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    Jacketed Performance with Cast Bullets

    I went to Veral's site and followed his instructions to order the book - printed a copy of his order form, filled it out completely, enclosed payment, and mailed it off to him. This was over 2 weeks ago and I haven't heard a peep. I'm in Utah, so it's not like this was a long journey for the envelope to make.

    Is there any way to contact him about this and follow up on my order?
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    There could be a lot of explanation for the delay.
    1) He might be on vacation.
    2) He might be sick.
    3) He might be dead.
    4) From time to time the post office will lose mail.
    5) Indians might have killed the pony rider.
    6) Global warming could have its evil hand in this.

    It's hard to tell.
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    Veral is old and well past the don’t give a poop stage.
    Be patient. If he’s still alive, he’ll get it to you.

    He is a great mold maker and very knowledgeable about the process but prone to wild swings of enthusiasm.
    I’ve always found it funny how much of his book gets regurgitated as new revelations across the web and various forums.

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    I want to read that book. I keep meaning to place an order.

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    I would recommend waiting a couple more weeks before worrying and/or calling/emailing.
    Porthos' order took a month.
    http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...php?354340-Lbt

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    What’s the website?


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    I wonder if he'd pitch a fit if someone just scanned the book and posted it here?

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    With out permission from the author i would imagine so. Could also make a bit of legal trouble for who ever did it. Its illegal to share copy righted material, but its not illegal (depending on where you are) to partake of the shared media. But i am sure there are a lot of people that have amassed a digital collection of books (i will use my 5th Amendment about what i have found on google). I would happily send him money for a digital version though if he okayed it.
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    Honestly I think I will scan his book when it arrives (for personal use) just so I can read it on my Kindle if necessary. Having only a single hard copy on flimsy paper seems like a good way to lose that information at some future point.
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    Okay... so we're up to well over a month now. Veral Smith may be a genius mold maker, bullet caster, and alloy specialist. But I am not impressed with his ordering system or his responsiveness. I realize $31 isn't a whole lot of money to get upset about, but just taking my money and ignoring me is really a low thing to do. He has my email address, it's on the order form. He could at least drop a line saying "yep, got your payment, I'll get around to mailing your book out sometime."
    Currently in the process of developing the "perfect" cast .223 load for my AR-15. Click here to follow my progress

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    I have recently ordered some push through slugs from him. I contacted him after a few weeks to inquire about the delay. He responded after a few days and asked that I be patient as he is backed up. I did get it in the mail after a few more weeks. No big deal I guess he has his own schedule and priorities. I ordered his lead hardness tester and got it after a week. I guess he has those ready to ship. maybe the book needs to be printed up batch of copies as he is out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BHuij View Post
    Honestly I think I will scan his book when it arrives (for personal use) just so I can read it on my Kindle if necessary. Having only a single hard copy on flimsy paper seems like a good way to lose that information at some future point.
    And I always thought having something in a digital format was a good way to loose it...my cell phone/kindle/computer crashed and I lost everything...how many times have I heard that !
    I've got a lot of flimsy paper books that date back to the 1930's...still readable and haven't lost them.
    I guess it depends on when you were born as to what method seems best. I was born BC (Before Computers).
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    flimsy papper and digital. Go belt and susspenders, also its never gone if you save it in the cloud

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    I keep everything in writting and digital. So many backups that it would take an apocalypse for me to loose everything. Pluss its nice to have my books avaialble for me to read when ever i want on my phone. Keeps my work area cleaner because i just pull out my tablet. Its hard to sneak those books to work to read.

    Research is easier with pencil and books. Then it all gets typed up and/or scanned. PDF, word and excel documents are updated and comments added. With three back ups that sync, all my notes and references are always at my finger tips. I have made my own releoding books that are just a print out of pertanent article and then in three ring binders.



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    I don't think people around Moyie Springs check the mail often. A friend from there ordered an item from me, that I finished and mailed. He called two weeks later, asking when it would get there? I checked tracking, that showed it had been delivered seven days before. Turned out he hadn't been to the PO for two weeks.
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    That book is a godsend. I am on my second one since I let a "friend" borrow it and he kept it!
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    If it is still available, I would recommend everyone on this website to get one while they can. It is what I like to think of as post-graduate studies in the use of cast bullets. You really need a sold basis in casting before fully understanding it. It looks unimpressive, like it is mimeographed from a typewritten manuscript, complete with a LOT of mis-spellings. However, the information is priceless.

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    I just sent an order to LBT this week.
    some here may not remember or be old enough the days when your stuff did not come the next day or 2.Or haveing to fill out a orderform with a pen.this where Veral still is so we all wait and for good reason.Is all good and i do not expect my stuff will get here for a month.>But i am looking forward to the book and hardness tester.

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    If he sent it Media Mail (formerly book rate) 2 weeks ago, it'll get to you in another 2 weeks.
    I give loading advice based on my actual results in factory rifles with standard chambers, twist rates and basic accurizing.
    My goals for using cast boolits are lots of good, cheap, and reasonably accurate shooting, while avoiding overly tedious loading processes.
    The BHN Deformation Formula, and why I don't use it.
    How to find and fix sizing die eccentricity problems.
    Do you trust your casting thermometer?
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