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    PB234 & Texas by God -- First, re extractor -- good question -- I checked out Gun Parts Corp and they show an extractor for this pistolName:  beretta 418  ext.jpg
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Size:  3.5 KB which I attached to this -- so I assume rounds may readily be removed other than only by shooting. God willing, I will be taking physical possession of my new toy on Saturday or Sunday -- and, I'll endeavor to then take and post a photo of it. From Texas by God's shooting testimony -- I'm excited to attempt determining the accuracy potential it has. The dealer -- also in his years -- made an interesting note in the forty years or so he's been dealing "guns", almost all the .22 and .25 pocket pistols he's had appear to have been carried a lot, while shot ever so little. He added, too, that he believes this very model was the very first pistol used by James Bond in the early 007 movies, before it was replaced by the Walther PPK. Thank you... I'll post a photo, and if the Desolation Dust (e.g., snow) doesn't continue to prohibit driving to shooting area at range -- I may even hope to try a few magazines... geo

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    You are correct about 007. When "Q"gave him the PPK, he chided JB about his Beretta .25s lack of power- If IRC!

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    As requested, here are two photos of the pistol, along with one of the 1936-manufactured holster which came with it.
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    BTW, there is no extractor on the Jetfire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poygan View Post
    BTW, there is no extractor on the Jetfire.
    I believe the Jetfire, aka Model 950, was manufactured by P Beretta starting in (I think?) 1952 or 1953. The model I chanced upon was the one which preceeded it, with the patent date -- in Italiano, "Brevettato" followed by year in both Julian Calendar as well as the Fascist-calendar Roman numerals. Anglo translation of mine indicates simply that it was patented in 1939. I am definitely NOT a gunsmith, and ignorant re whether an extractor is present - I have yet to disassemble my new toy. However, as I noted in my post #21, here above, Numrich (aka Gun Parts Corp) both indicates there is one in the Model 418, and even offers a picture of it. Now 20* here -- first dry day above freezing, and I'll take it to range -- hopefully a learning, as well as fun outing.

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    YOU ARE INDEED CORRECT -- the 950 has an ejector, but they list naught re an extractor. Thanks for this info! geo
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    Only the tip up barrel models were sans extractor. All auto pistols have ejectors.

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    Thank you, Texas by God, for your succinct words -- I've never heard it expressed so well! I knew my tip-up barrel .32acp does not have an extractor; again, NOT a gunsmith, I was not aware it was an across the board phenomena. The actual "innards" of a firearm being a second order variable to the prime one: that it functions flawlessly. I'm hoping this one will be at that level . The only "flaw" I've so far noted is the screw attaching the port-side (left) grip appears to have both a tad-too-large-diameter head, which also looks slightly boogered -- as you can clearly see in pictures I've posted. I'll be seeking a replacement screw, but if not findable, I suspect I can machine the screw present to make it look better, this assuming it is of correct thread.
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    @georgekahn,

    Quote Originally Posted by georgerkahn View Post
    Marshall -- Along the time-line of this wonderful country, folks WE (actually, our forefathers) elected put laws in to effect to track the whereabouts of them. Similar to the registration of motor vehicles.
    geo
    While I sympathize with your situation in NY, I disagree with the notion that the government has any business registering guns, or megaphones, or toilet seats, or whatever (even cars for that matter, its more of a money making effort than an aid to recovering a chopped up/wrecked stolen car). Sadly, many have decided to comply with intolerable acts instead of forcefully telling the government to butt out of things they have no authority to do. As far as the specific case of the registration of guns, I would be surprised if that has EVER solved or prevented any crime committed with a stolen gun (i.e. there is no provable custody trail for a stolen gun). It is just another infringement and hassle to dissuade citizens from going to the trouble of owning a gun. I believe it is our sacred duty to resist unconstitutional/unjust laws and to refuse to comply. If enough people demonstrate contempt for these intolerable acts, they will not be enforced and become null and void. To comply is to give up to our philosophical enemies without a fight.

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    Marshall -- While personally, I cannot agree with you more, I believe I would have too much to give up / lose should I attempt driving about in an unregistered motor vehicle; and, carry about an unregistered handgun. I sadly know first-hand of a nice .45 revolver which was sold to me that was apparently stolen. IF it was returned to its rightful owner, I never was informed. I was simply giving the choice of swapping the revolver for a paper receipt, or being charged with possession of stolen property -- not a tough choice to make. I was being a tad tongue-in-cheek with the very statement you quoted re our elected officials.
    To see "HOW" it is in northern New York, you may wish to read our laws in Albany region: https://ecode360.com/7682475
    I did not start this thread to do anymore than get some info on my new toy; and ever so appreciate the info generously given by those on this forum who replied. I'm retired, and most sadly do not have the wherewithal to move to a less gun-hating state, much less with a bum leg, the physical ability so to do. I laud your sentiments, and hopefully you, as well as others, can and will enact a change by, at the least, going to the polls and casting votes for those who at the least approximate our firearm-related desires. Perhaps -- on this site -- you might even start a new thread to get things going?
    BEST!
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    George,
    I have relatives in the Adirondack region and love the country, but chose to live elsewhere. I sympathize, and support you because those who believe they can be sovereign citizens are living on fantasy island, because the "gummint" already has their metadata... Cheers and beers.
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    @georgekahn,

    OK, no more comments about NY laws. Being a masochist, I reload 25 ACP to keep myself in (reasonably priced) ammo. I have plenty of tips and ideas if you want to get into this. One of the main things you will want is a custom Lee taper FCD to make sure the finished rounds chamber properly. The other main problem(s) are getting cases and projectiles. Because the cases are so small and look like 22LR cases on the ground the loss rate of cases is high. You can spread out a tarp, or capture the cases in a net if you really want to get most of your cases back. I lucked up a couple of years ago and found several thousand primed cases and 50 gr FMJ projectiles online at a good price. I have a number of loading I have worked up that take the round from anemic factory levels to slightly wild, but still within SAAMI limits. I also shoot cast bullets that I make in 44 gr (HP) and 46 gr (solid) weights. Admittedly, it is a labor of love, but for me at least, I find it is only slightly more work than reloading larger calibers like 32 ACP and 380 ACP. I fire these rounds in a Beretta Jetfire 950BS which is a wonderful little pistol. Enjoy your new pistol.

    Marshall

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    My "Wild" .25ACP loads are:
    50 grain FMJ ahead of 3.1 grains of BE-86 and WSP primers at .905" OAL.
    63 grain LEAD FP ahead of 3.0 grains of BE-86 and WSP primers at .905" OAL.
    I shoot them out of a Ruger Custom .25ACP Single Eight revolver with a 10-5/8" long barrel (~12" muzzle to frame recoil face) Built on a converted .22CAL Ruger Convertible Single Six Frame.
    I estimate the Pressures at around 25,000psi to 30,000psi MAP.
    I have not Chronographed the Loads yet.
    Best Regards,
    Chev. William

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    @georgerkahn,

    I must apologize for a statement I made in your thread. I said "As far as the specific case of the registration of guns, I would be surprised if that has EVER solved or prevented any crime committed with a stolen gun (i.e. there is no provable custody trail for a stolen gun)."

    Well I have since found out that gun registration has helped solve a crime in Michigan (see link below). I was one case in 90 years of gun registration, but it did help solve that case.

    http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2018/04...istration.html

    I'll try to do more research before popping off my mouth in the future.

    Marshall

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshall View Post
    @georgekahn,

    OK, no more comments about NY laws. Being a masochist, I reload 25 ACP to keep myself in (reasonably priced) ammo. I have plenty of tips and ideas if you want to get into this. One of the main things you will want is a custom Lee taper FCD to make sure the finished rounds chamber properly. The other main problem(s) are getting cases and projectiles. Because the cases are so small and look like 22LR cases on the ground the loss rate of cases is high. You can spread out a tarp, or capture the cases in a net if you really want to get most of your cases back. I lucked up a couple of years ago and found several thousand primed cases and 50 gr FMJ projectiles online at a good price. I have a number of loading I have worked up that take the round from anemic factory levels to slightly wild, but still within SAAMI limits. I also shoot cast bullets that I make in 44 gr (HP) and 46 gr (solid) weights. Admittedly, it is a labor of love, but for me at least, I find it is only slightly more work than reloading larger calibers like 32 ACP and 380 ACP. I fire these rounds in a Beretta Jetfire 950BS which is a wonderful little pistol. Enjoy your new pistol.

    Marshall
    Thanks for the .25 ACP reloading tips. Just got a Colt pistol with a nickel finish at a LGS. Over the years I have picked up about a hundred pieces of brass, and bought six varieties of loaded ammo to try out. Been debating about reloading...and casting?
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