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Thread: Copying the Buffalo Bore 9mm+P Outdoorsman

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    Copying the Buffalo Bore 9mm+P Outdoorsman

    I'm interested in working up a load similar to the BB 9mm+P Outdoorsman, which is a 147gr cast RNFP @ 1100 fps out of a full-size handgun. I plan on using these in my Ruger P89, and hopefully one of the original Ruger PC9 carbines (if I can find one.) I'm having trouble locating any data that shows velocities anywhere near that for a 147gr boolit. I'd like some input on what powders I should try out and any other recommendations.

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    This is in the ballpark from Lyman 49th

    147 Cast #356637 Alliant Power Pistol 4.1 939
    Remarks: sugg. start load; 26,100 cup; 1.058" OAL
    147 Cast #356637 Alliant Power Pistol 4.6 1033
    Remarks: max load; 30,200 cup; 1.058" OAL; potentially most accurate load

    Since this is not +P you could do some load work-up and get there
    BTW, he is not getting 1,100 fps
    Close, but not there
    That is advertised speed
    Here is his actual results

    ➤ 1088 fps ------ SIG P226 Elite - with 5-inch threaded barrel
    ➤ 1116 fps ------ H&K USP Tactical - with 4.7-inch threaded barrel
    ➤ 1096 fps ------ Browning Hi Power - with 4.6-inch barrel
    ➤ 1083 fps ------ Glock model 19 - with 4-inch barrel
    ➤ 1089 fps ------ Walther P88 - with 4-inch barrel
    ➤ 1021 fps ------ Ruger LC9 - with 3-inch barrel
    ➤ 1024 fps ------ SIG P938 - with 2.9-inch barrel

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    "➤ 1088 fps ------ SIG P226 Elite - with 5-inch threaded barrel
    ➤ 1116 fps ------ H&K USP Tactical - with 4.7-inch threaded barrel
    ➤ 1096 fps ------ Browning Hi Power - with 4.6-inch barrel
    ➤ 1083 fps ------ Glock model 19 - with 4-inch barrel
    ➤ 1089 fps ------ Walther P88 - with 4-inch barrel
    ➤ 1021 fps ------ Ruger LC9 - with 3-inch barrel
    ➤ 1024 fps ------ SIG P938 - with 2.9-inch barrel"

    To me, if you look at the second and third velocities, that looks close enough to 1100 to be 1100.
    We Know Mass Cannot Be Weighed But It Has Newtonian Weight And That Is Derived From Kilograms And Kilograms Can Be Converted to Pounds. But, Still Mass Cannot Be Weighed. But How is the kilograms obtained? Can Kilograms Be Weighed? Evidentally Yes It Can. But, Still Mass Cannot Be Weighed So Kilograms Must Not Exist. Funny Isn't It.
    One good thing out of this the next time I'm at the doctors and they want to weigh me I'll tell them mass cannot be weighed.

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    I do not disagree
    If you do some load work up from the Lyman Data, standard pressure, you should have no problem getting + P to get you where Tim is at Buffalo Bore.

    The 9mm is so efficient that there is only 65 FPS difference from 3” to 5”
    inch barrels
    I like it

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    Try using the exact bullet they use which is the magma engineering 147gr.Bayou bullets sells them coated. 4.5gr. wsf will put you close to it these bullets can be seated lonngg,the lyman 356637 is a royal P.I.T.A. DUE TO LENGTH AND NOSE SHAPE. I have never been able to get over 1,000fps without issues. Good luck.

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    Don't they get their bullets from Rimrock. They do most of them?
    We Know Mass Cannot Be Weighed But It Has Newtonian Weight And That Is Derived From Kilograms And Kilograms Can Be Converted to Pounds. But, Still Mass Cannot Be Weighed. But How is the kilograms obtained? Can Kilograms Be Weighed? Evidentally Yes It Can. But, Still Mass Cannot Be Weighed So Kilograms Must Not Exist. Funny Isn't It.
    One good thing out of this the next time I'm at the doctors and they want to weigh me I'll tell them mass cannot be weighed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 44MAG#1 View Post
    Don't they get their bullets from Rimrock. They do most of them?
    Yes, the cast ones

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    Thanks for all the input everyone. I will look into that bullet from Bayou, as I prefer to have a coated bullet if possible. I'll have to look for some power pistol and WSF as well, I don't have either on hand.

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    I realize this is an older thread but I wanted to add to it and see if anyone has done anymore with this.

    I bought 1K of the 148 gr Outdoorsman cast that BB uses from Rimrock Bullets two years ago and loaded several hundred with 5.0 grains of Power Pistol. OAL was 1.054". I used CCI small pistol primers. (This an edit to clarify on my load data. I use a Dillon 550 with their powder measure and sometimes I use the Lee Auto-Disk powder measure. Some powders the Lee is more accurate and some the Dillon. With this powder I use the Lee. The disc size calls out 5.0 grains but it actually meters 4.9 grains. Just wanted to clear that up.)

    Lee 2nd Edition shows a max load of 5.0 grains with a 147 gr XTP and the Alliant website shows 5.0 grain max with 147 gr Gold Dot each with velocities of 975fps.

    I wasn't able to find my chronograph readings but would be glad to redo them if anyone is interested.

    A question I have is does anyone have actual BB Outdoorsman load and would they mind taking a measurement of the OAL and posting it? I am curious because I had a couple of chambers in different guns where the bullet was sticking in the lands. I've never heard of this being a problem with the BB load.
    Last edited by 45&30-30; 02-18-2020 at 01:03 AM. Reason: Clarification of load data.
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    I just ran out and got single round readings from the following guns with 4.9 grains of PP and RR Outdoorsman bullet. Snowing here, I apologize for the small sample.
    Ruger SP101 2" 983 fps
    Glock 19 4" 1048 fps
    S&W M&P 2.0 4.25" 1053 fps
    LW Commander 4.25" 1059 fps
    Beretta 92 5" 1074 fps
    Ruger Blackhawk 12"(Yes 12" barrel) 1153 fps

    Primers are still rounded. 15' from chronograph.
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    I get 1.050" OAL


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    Thank you so much! I really appreciate it.
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    Would these loads work in a Walther P38 made in 1968?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bob Busetti View Post
    Would these loads work in a Walther P38 made in 1968?
    If your gun is rated for +p it will if un certain just stick to what you know works
    Last edited by Cast_outlaw; 01-19-2020 at 12:29 PM. Reason: Correction

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    You sure it's a P38, or a P1? P1 has an alloy frame, and other tweaks. The chamber on the P38 looks stout, but I'd research its capabilities before using +p. Moreover, the recoil springs may not have enough in them to handle the recoiling slide, and batter components.

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    Alloy frame P1s were not all that durable even shooting NATO ball, I would worry that +P 147s would be frame crackers. I would be less concerned with velocity and instead seek a load which is accurate and functions the pistol well. I use Accurate 36-142H cast in COWW sized .357" and loaded with 3.2 grains of Bullseye at 1.14" OAL for 880 fps from my S&W Model 940 revolver with 1-7/8" barrel

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    I believe most of the NATO ball 9mm I've shot IS +P. It is certainly hotter than commercial ammo.

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    From Vihtavuori, 4" testbarrel. J-word loads but maybe hardcast can manage those velocities..,

    Bullet 9,5 g / 147 gr HP/XTP, Hornady C.O.L. 29,0 mm / 1.142 inch

    Powder Starting load Maximum load
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    [g] [grs] [m/s][fps] [g] [grs] [m/s][fps]
    N320 0,20 3.1 239 784 0,25 3.9 298 978
    N330 0,25 3.9 294 964 0,28 4.3 315 1032
    N340 0,25 3.9 289 948 0,28 4.3 309 1015
    N350 0,29 4.5 302 991 0,32 5.0 326 1070
    3N37 0,30 4.7 298 979 0,33 5.1 321 1052
    N105 0,40 6.1 317 1039 0,41 6.4 338 1108
    3N38 0,41 6.3 357 1171 0,45 6.9 368 1207

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    Has anyone chronoed the BB round in question to see what the velocity actually is? Just because advertised is 1100fps does not mean you will get it in your particular pistol. Also accuracy has to be taken into account, if it does not have decent accuracy then there really is little point in pushing them to the max.

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    Slide says P38.

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