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    A 1 lb. roll of .045" piano wire costs about $5-$6 and will make hundreds of those trigger return springs. Been working of my roll for maybe 2 decades now, and it was $4 back then.

    Here's some on Ebay a bit more, if your local hardware store doesn't carry it.
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/Piano-Music...vqoJ-n1UDANFKg

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    I'm not that talented and don't work on that many rollers to make buying a roll of piano wire practical. I wish I had that expertise and lots of rollers to try it on. My hat is off to you guys that can do that though.
    I would like to find one of the military configuration 12MM to work on and that would be all of the rollers I need. They tend to get more and more expensive all of the time. The one I got was less than $250 which makes for a reasonable BPCR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boz330 View Post
    I'm not that talented and don't work on that many rollers to make buying a roll of piano wire practical. I wish I had that expertise and lots of rollers to try it on. My hat is off to you guys that can do that though.


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    It's not much of a job Bob. Pretty simple looking spring. Here's a link for the picture and info:

    http://castboolits.gunloads.com/show...trigger-spring

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    Just out of curiosity, can the Swedish rolling block be matched up with any particular Remington rolling block designation such as 1-1/2 or a #2? If I start looking for a new stock set can stocks made for Remington rolling blocks be used for the Swede roller?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOA View Post
    Just out of curiosity, can the Swedish rolling block be matched up with any particular Remington rolling block designation such as 1-1/2 or a #2? If I start looking for a new stock set can stocks made for Remington rolling blocks be used for the Swede roller?
    The early Rolling Block is the early 1867 style, then it's the same as the Remington #1 military. Stocks rarely show up for a Remington though, so what you'll usually find are takeoff stocks from the Swede or Danish guns.
    Gunstocks Inc. sell very inexpensive stock sets for these guns, and have sporting style sets made for military actions with their shorter lower tang, and wider upper and lower tangs. They're semi inletted, and can be ordered with forearm for round or octagon barrel, plus different style buttplates. Under $100 a set. I've used a couple sets and they are great.

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    Marlinman, I was looking around the web and came across macongunstocks.com and they had both Remington and one set for the swede rolling block. They looked nice and the swede forend was made for a octagon barrel. I didn't see one for a round barrel but I'm sure one could call to see if they have them for a round barrel too. Are there measurements out there that give the tang width on the military and the sporting actions of the Swedish RB's. Might be helpful in knowing what the stocks are going to fit that a business is offering be it the military or sporting actions. A bummer if you get a military one and you have a sporting action which is narrower.

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    You guys are killing me.
    I’ve always wanted a RB. Now I think I need to find a donor for a rebarrel.

    Any suggestions on where to shop for an old war horse? I would really like one in 45/70 though any cast friendly cartridge would be great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael J. Spangler View Post
    You guys are killing me.
    I’ve always wanted a RB. Now I think I need to find a donor for a rebarrel.

    Any suggestions on where to shop for an old war horse? I would really like one in 45/70 though any cast friendly cartridge would be great.
    Keep checking with www.simpsonltd.com

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    Welp, I got out Momma's "State of Missouri, Dept. of Agriculture" certified farmer's market scale and mine weighs 8.01 lbs. Compared to my Shiloh's, double rifles and my Ballard with a deuce and a half axel for a barrel that's about what it feels like. I didn't think mine was 11+ lbs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sharps4590 View Post
    Welp, I got out Momma's "State of Missouri, Dept. of Agriculture" certified farmer's market scale and mine weighs 8.01 lbs. Compared to my Shiloh's, double rifles and my Ballard with a deuce and a half axel for a barrel that's about what it feels like. I didn't think mine was 11+ lbs.
    I stand corrected Sharps. I went back and re weighed myself holding it, and then without holding it. 8.2 pounds.

    I have no idea where the 11plus pounds I came up with before came from, but I sometimes think the little grey cells are getting littler all the time, can't wait til next year to see how they are working, like my Dad use to say...... it's later than you think. Anyhow this is how I'm progressing on getting this new toy on the road to being a shooter for now in the first stages of trials as to whether I get another barrel or keep this one. Midway showed up at the house today, so I have the Hungarian brass. Just got it loaded up with about 11.2 grains of Unique and some cream of wheat an a squirt of titebond wood glue. Will let them set up until Sunday and then I'll load them up in boxes for a fire forming party on Monday afternoon if it is not raining here on the coast. Here are a few images of the work.











    Starting with 100 rounds should be a good start for now. If I change barrels and caliber????? Well, lets just see how this thing shoots before I start to cross that bridge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOA View Post
    Marlinman, I was looking around the web and came across macongunstocks.com and they had both Remington and one set for the swede rolling block.
    I would STRONGLY recommend checking the reviews on that place!! Big discussion a while back on another forum and more than a few posters had some very unflattering things to say about that guy! Real eye opener about some of the things he did, I'm surprised he's even still around.

    You don't even have to search for reviews just do a Google search on "Macon Gunstocks" and then check the second link down directly under Macon's listing!
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    oldred, thanks for that information. I will check it right now. I hate being a babe in the woods re stocks and such, never had to replace a stock in my life, should be a learning experience, but not a nightmare right!

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    Not a problem MOA! Have, unfortunately, done the same thing myself more often than not..... I didn't doubt you. My rifle looks exactly like the one posted and I just didn't think mine weighed that much. Otherwise, I can guarantee I would never have weighed it. Kinda glad I did now.

    Unique was the most accurate powder in mine and I think I was shooting 12 grs. under a 200 gr. bullet. Problem with mine was that load was about 6 inches low at 50 yards when using the flipped up sight. With mine the first shot from a cold, as clean as I can get it barrel, is always out of the rest of the group. Shooting 5 shot groups the last four would go under an inch at 50 yards, benched and bagged, with the total group a bit more than 2 inches when counting the first shot. Obviously if hunting the first one is the one that counts the most. Ain't sure how to remedy that situation. 'Course 2 inches at 50 yards is more than minute of deer.

    With the same bullet over I think 20 or 21 grs. of SR-4759 and an open cell foam filler groups aren't quite as good as with Unique. That load does shoot to the sights at 50 yards using the flipped up rear sight. Yesterday I shot it at 100 yards and it was about 6 inches low with approximately a 3 inch group. At 50 yards it hovers around 2 inches. Other than adding a hunting style tang sight to the rifle I'm a bit perplexed as where to go from here.
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    MOA, Any good stock company will tell you if their stocks are for military or sporting Rolling Blocks. I could take some measurements to post, but stock companies don't list measurements to compare them. The Sporting rifle tangs are about 1/8" narrower in the tangs, and the Sporting rifles have a much longer lower tang with an extra screw that gets a wood screw up into the stock from below. Most military rifles also have thicker tangs also, so the inletting for the tangs is both wider and deeper.
    As I mentioned, Gunstocks Inc. has very reasonable priced stocks. They also sell higher grade wood if you're looking to build a high end gun. But at under $100 a set, I doubt you'll find anything close. They list stock sets by the type of action you have, and barrel contour. They also build sporter type stocks to fit military actions, so those of us who want to rework a Roller to Sporter style can get the correct stocks if they don't want to narrow the tangs, or thin them.
    I bought a set for an original Sporting Rifle that had been poorly restocked. They don't sell stock sets for Sporter inletting, so I had to open up the inletting for the longer lower tang. But they do sell them with narrower inletting, so it wasn't a huge issue, and I didn't need to fill any wood on the tang inletting width.

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    I have gotten several stocks from Treebone and the guy is very knowledgeable. He also has forearm mounting screws and steel butt plates. They aren't as cheap as $100 but I have been happy with all that I have gotten.
    All of these came from Treebone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sharps4590 View Post
    Not a problem MOA! Have, unfortunately, done the same thing myself more often than not..... I didn't doubt you. My rifle looks exactly like the one posted and I just didn't think mine weighed that much. Otherwise, I can guarantee I would never have weighed it. Kinda glad I did now.

    Unique was the most accurate powder in mine and I think I was shooting 12 grs. under a 200 gr. bullet. Problem with mine was that load was about 6 inches low at 50 yards when using the flipped up sight. With mine the first shot from a cold, as clean as I can get it barrel, is always out of the rest of the group. Shooting 5 shot groups the last four would go under an inch at 50 yards, benched and bagged, with the total group a bit more than 2 inches when counting the first shot. Obviously if hunting the first one is the one that counts the most. Ain't sure how to remedy that situation. 'Course 2 inches at 50 yards is more than minute of deer.

    With the same bullet over I think 20 or 21 grs. of SR-4759 and an open cell foam filler groups aren't quite as good as with Unique. That load does shoot to the sights at 50 yards using the flipped up rear sight. Yesterday I shot it at 100 yards and it was about 6 inches low with approximately a 3 inch group. At 50 yards it hovers around 2 inches. Other than adding a hunting style tang sight to the rifle I'm a bit perplexed as where to go from here.
    Would it do any good to get a different front sight, something that would give you the ability to change the height of it?

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    Thx marlinman. I will call and talk to these folks. I'm sure they will be helpful. I'll be sure to look my rifle over good to see which action mine has.

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    Boz, those are sweet looking stocks. Will keep them on my list too.

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    Treebone does good work, and he will cut your wood if you have a blank and send it to him.

    Be aware he cuts about 10% large. You have to trim it down.
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    Thx Wayne, nice to have options on wood AND costs.

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