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    ordered a new book

    Yesterday I ordered a book Ive been wanting for awhile. Randolh S Wrights Loading and shooting the Shutzen rifle. Hoping its as good and informative as his Loading and shooting the Paper Patched bullet A Beginners Guide is. Simply more information for my BPCRs and the single shot rifles of the era.

    Those old guys with these rifles really got some fine accuracy. The reported scores and groups were impressive

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    Assume that's Loading and Shooting Traditional Schuetzen Rifles, by Randolf Wright. The first part is some interesting history on schuetzen and the rifles used back then. Then he gets into modern schuetzen, and the equipment and styles of shooting today. Pages 19-58 cover the guns of various makers and custom guns. The last 200 pages or so of the book is on the procedures and loading. He covers everything from how to hold the guns, to laods, tools used, etc., etc....
    I think it's a very good book, and shows he's either a big fan, or did his homework prior to writing it! Well worth the $30 price tag it usually sells for new.

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    Sorry I got the title wrong. I'm interested in these rifles and may build one in the future. I have his other mentioned above and feel its very good on the info. So I went with this one also. Theres always room on the shelves for one more book. Knowledge is something you can give away and still have.

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    I like that book quite a bit. It's a great way to get started I think.

    The accuracy you can achieve with the smaller cartridges and breech seating in the old style is pretty impressive. It's also about the cheapest way to shoot once you have all of the expensive equipment

    Chris.

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    I'm in the process of putting up a new larger garage right now. part of this new building is a hobby shop ( bought the lathe, mill and a lot of tooling already) So a lot of that expensive tooling will be made here. I have a C-Sharps highwall 38-55 and a CPA in 40-65 Id like to try these techniques with.

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    Being able to make your own tooling is excellent!

    I'd give it a try with the C. Sharps highwall. If you will be using black powder I think that the .38-55 is the optimal choice. I have several .32-40's and several .38-55's and although the .32-40's have shot some nice targets at 40 rods with black, I just haven't had them work as consistently as the .38-55. However the .32-40 is excellent for off-hand.

    One bullet that is quite different than the Pope style, or the spitzers, commonly used today in schuetzen is a bullet made by Buffalo Arms. It's actually a BPCR design but made with tapered driving bands for breech seating. I have not seen anyone other than me use it, but it outshoots every other mold I have for breech seating in the .38-55. It's a .38 cal tapered Creedmoor bullet made for breech seating. I noticed it several years ago in their catalog and decided to give it a try. I can highly recommend it in 20:1.

    Good luck!

    Chris.

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    I use a stepped bullet design in my Schoyen Ballard in .38-55. It's the old Ideal Doc Hudson mold, and has a .383" base band, with .382", .375", .374", .374", and a .328" nose diameter. It's a fairly heavy bullet at around 315 grs. but my Schoyen is a 1:15" twist designed for heavy bullets like this, and loves it. It also breech seats extremely easy with the stepped bands.
    I've made several breech seating tools. The Sharps and CPA style actions with their mortise make it easy to come up with a functional breech seater tool. My Ballards are a challenge to get a tool that works easily and well, but the two I have both work great!

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    My C Sharps Hi Wall 38-55 is a 1-12 twist mcgowen barrel. I'm currently shooting a 365 grn nasa out of it with great results out to 500 yds. I very seldom ring a ram, That bullet takes them over reliably. The CPA is a 40-65 with 1-14 twist(?) and Ive shot up to 425 grn bullets in it. These are a PP buffalo arms mould. Both are long bullets. I'm eagerly awaiting the book and reading thru it a couple times.

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    Until your post country I was ignorant of the Wright book. I shall have to look for it, thank you. Do you have the book on Schuetzen rifles by Gerald Kelver and by the same author on Ned Roberts?

    For just the historical aspect on the rifles and matches in Germany the 4 book series "Alte Schweibenwaffen" is incomparable. It is in English.
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    There are quite a few books on both single shot rifles, shooting, schuetzen, and tools, that are all very good! Some of the paperback ones are also very reasonably priced and well worth having in one's gun library.
    Gerald Kelvar and Ned Roberts did a number of interesting treatises on the subject, and they can still be found on thee internet cheaply. Major Ned Roberts and The Schuetzen Rifle, edited by Gerald Kelvar after Ned's death is a great one! Reloading Tools, Sights and Telescopes by Gerald Kelvar is another great book.
    The "Classic Compendium" Vol. 1 & 2 by the Single Shot Exchange is a two volume set assembled from articles in the SSE and is excellent reading on all types of single shots! It covers everything from old original stories to modern stories, to gunsmithing, book reviews, product reviews, and a huge amount of other printed material.

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    There are a few that are really quite nice, including reprints of old books. One of my favorites is The Breech Loading Single Shot Rifle by Ned Roberts and completed by Ken Waters. Respectfully Yours - H.M. Pope by Kelver is different, but very interesting too.

    Chris.

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