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    FN designs for 357 mag

    Looking for feedback on accuracy and any other information you'd think valuable. I am thinking about which of the commonly available flat nose designs to use for medium range (30-50 yds), medium velocity (950-1000ft/sec) 357 loads out of my four inch 686+. Accuracy is the highest priority. I see Saeco, Lyman. and RCBS all have flat nose, tangent ogive designs. I guess I should also include LBT's version.

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    I use the 180 grain WFN from NOE. 12 grains of 2400/1470fps out of a rifle, never chronograph out of a pistol but it's probably running close to 1000fps out of a four inch barrel. I never papered it at fifty yards with a revolver but it will keep a pop can moving at that range. it runs a reliable 1.5"-2.0" at 100 yards out of my Ruger 77, a bit bigger than 2.0" out of my Marlin lever. Very hard on deer.


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    Lee's 358-158-RF is a pretty good design and sounds like it may fit your description. I don't know what weight you are looking for however the mold I have drops at 164 grains with WW alloy.

    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/10...rain-flat-nose

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    I looked at the NOE moulds. It is not sitting well with me that they would design their moulds such that you also have to buy their handles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inthealders View Post
    I looked at the NOE moulds. It is not sitting well with me that they would design their moulds such that you also have to buy their handles.
    Gee, I have always used Lee handles with my Noe molds.

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    NOE molds work perfectly fine with the Lee 6 cavity commercial handles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobS View Post
    Lee's 358-158-RF is a pretty good design and sounds like it may fit your description. I don't know what weight you are looking for however the mold I have drops at 164 grains with WW alloy.

    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/10...rain-flat-nose
    That is a great bullet

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    Arsenal's 360-162RF here. Casts right at 160 gr. from 3 pt. range scrap/1 pt. COWW for me. I PC and size to .359 for use in (3) Rugers and a Rossi 92.

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    This is my favorite
    Loads OAL at SAAMI spec
    Accurate, best mold you can buy in my opinion, with a great design I saw in the catalog

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    I've used the LBT design for many years in many different guns and it has been well worth the money . It's very easy to find an accurate load with several different powders . The real plus is it feeds through lever guns like corn through a goose . I think this is the LN not the WFN .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inthealders View Post
    I looked at the NOE moulds. It is not sitting well with me that they would design their moulds such that you also have to buy their handles.
    All of my NOE and Lyman moulds have Lee 6 cavity handles....no modifications are required for either.
    The other brands of moulds I don't know....there is a Lee handle chart on this site (sticky) someplace that tell what moulds they fit and note any modifications required.
    Don't pass up trying a good mould because you think you have to buy their handles...for decades the mould makers handles only fit their moulds...you had to buy them....
    Thanks to Lee there is now a less costly option. The NOE's handles are better made but there is a cheaper option. I never did like Lyman's handles , ok quality ...they were just hard to hold , handles were too fat , not long enough and they didn't lie parallel . Less fit my hand better.
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    From personal experience I would exclude the 357466 Lyman as they are often undersized. Other than that start with the Lee 125 gr rf and work up to the Lyman 358627 at 215 gr listed normally closer to 220 and you should be able to make any of them work. I find the most accurate load is with a 358477 at Lyman Manual #45 velocities for 38 Special.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Inthealders View Post
    I looked at the NOE moulds. It is not sitting well with me that they would design their moulds such that you also have to buy their handles.
    Al just offers very nice handles because some folks are willing to pay for nice custom handles (not me). NOE is as good as it gets and their customer service is wonderful.


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    I really like the Lee 158gr rnfp, I have the 125gr version but only use it for my brothers girlfriends S&W 642 and my 357 Sig. I use Lee 6 cavity type handles with NOE, Lee 6 cavity, MiHec and an old Ideal mold I have. I only had an issue with the Ideal, had to file down the arm on the handles as it was a little tight fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobS View Post
    Lee's 358-158-RF is a pretty good design and sounds like it may fit your description.
    I'd buy this one in a heartbeat if it accepted gas checks. Any idea how fast it can be driven with some accuracy?

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    I have the LBT Flat nose in 38cal at 140gr, 166gr, 184ge, 200gr and 220gr. I'm a big fan. I do have the NOE 360-180-WFN as well, the LBT's shoot better for me, but I haven't spent much time developing an accurate load for the NOE WFN's though. They look very similar when loaded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven66 View Post
    I'd buy this one in a heartbeat if it accepted gas checks. Any idea how fast it can be driven with some accuracy?
    Put a Plain Base gas check on it
    Problem solved
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steven66 View Post
    I'd buy this one in a heartbeat if it accepted gas checks. Any idea how fast it can be driven with some accuracy?
    Why would it need a gas check, sure if you were shooting it in a 357 Max but you don't need it for the 357 Mag.

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    It's for my Ruger 77/357 and I want to get around 1700 - 1800 fps with it. From what I read, 1400 - 1600 fps is about the limit for plain base bullets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobS View Post
    NOE molds work perfectly fine with the Lee 6 cavity commercial handles.
    That is what I use and also there is a post of all the molds that the Lee 6 cavity commercial handles works on and what one you need to grind some of it.
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BP Bronze Point IMR Improved Military Rifle PTD Pointed
BR Bench Rest M Magnum RN Round Nose
BT Boat Tail PL Power-Lokt SP Soft Point
C Compressed Charge PR Primer SPCL Soft Point "Core-Lokt"
HP Hollow Point PSPCL Pointed Soft Point "Core Lokt" C.O.L. Cartridge Overall Length
PSP Pointed Soft Point Spz Spitzer Point SBT Spitzer Boat Tail
LRN Lead Round Nose LWC Lead Wad Cutter LSWC Lead Semi Wad Cutter
GC Gas Check