Making that Bullet Collator

[Phlier]

Still pretty impressive.

By my math there is 24 hours in a day x 60 minutes in an hour, = 1440 minutes a day x 60 = 86,400 seconds, in a day / by 30,000 units = 1 gear motor ready to go every 2.88 seconds.

While at all times, keeping to strict Chinese quality control standards.

Thanks for the alternative hardware sources, gents. I'm sure a lot of us that were late to this "print your own boolit feeder" party really appreciate the info.

We decided on "buy once, cry once" for our 3D printer... getting a Prusa. Which means that we're on a long waiting list to get one. Like end of January. Hope the wait and extra money ends up being worth it in the end.

Those guys out there that are currently working on this project, would you mind taking a minute to update us on your progress? Even the little things help...

[Phlier]

Post removed. All good things...

[marcolelectro]

Just a little information...
I found on thingiverse some parts to make the openbulletfeeder a reliable (I tested it) case feeder. The parts are mainly a funnel and rotating plates in different calibers (9mm, 223 ...).
If wanted parts from the original files can be used : plates in .50 caliber bullet can be used as 44mag cases plate, 44/45 plate can be used as 357cases plate and so on.
It is not a maybe solution to circumvent something or someone! It is for educational and informational purpose only.

[Phlier]

Just a little information...
I found on thingiverse some parts to make the openbulletfeeder a reliable (I tested it) case feeder. The parts are mainly a funnel and rotating plates in different calibers (9mm, 223 ...).
If wanted parts from the original files can be used : plates in .50 caliber bullet can be used as 44mag cases plate, 44/45 plate can be used as 357cases plate and so on.
It is not a maybe solution to circumvent something or someone! It is for educational and informational purpose only.

That's great! Could you post the thingiverse links here, please?

[dverna]

I sincerely doubt that MBF is going to go after the common guy making a bullet feeder in his garage. The statements by MBF's general manager are pretty broad and hard to back up more of a scare tactic in my opinion. To be blunt here if I want to get/make a copy I will do so without any worry about MBF coming after me.

Hatch is correct in a previous post. You cannot be sued for patent infringement unless you sell or barter what you make. No risk if for personal use.

[Phlier]

Post removed.

I'm no longer going to share the files, guys. I just can't take the legal risk, and the PM bit was too overwhelming. See the post below.

[RedlegEd]

Hi Phlier,
Happy New Year! Here's the link to which I believe marcolelectro referred.
Ed

[Phlier]

Hi Phlier,
Happy New Year! Here's the link to which I believe marcoelectro referred.
Ed

Very much appreciated, Ed. And Happy New Year to you too, my friend.

[AR-Bossman]

The more I look into it, the more complex patents get. Everyone thinks they can just find a loop hole and do what they want. This has been going on for a very very long time and there is very little you can do to get around someone's patent without serious legal counsel backing you up.

https://www.ip-watch.org/2017/07/19/...s-3d-printing/

Alternatively, patent owners could target the people facilitating the infringement. The Patent Act permits a patent holder to sue parties who induce others to infringe. For example, potential inducers of patent infringement could be the sellers of the 3D printers, someone providing CAD files of the patented product, or websites that sell or share the CAD files that instruct 3D printers to make the patented invention.

3D Printing in the Future of IP

As an industry still in its infancy, prosecuting cases of IP infringement in 3D printing is proving complex. However, digitalisation has impacted a number of other sectors. Lessons around digital file sharing – including CAD files – can be learnt from the piracy that overwhelmed the entertainment industry in the 1990s.

However, 3D printing issues stretch further than the illegal downloading of music or unofficial film and TV merchandise. With a 3D printer anyone can pirate design files and turn the files into tangible objects without owning the IP.

This may mean that in the future copyright could merge with patent rights – or at the very least overlap with it – as it has become much easier to transform between tangible and intangible forms of products and ideas. Before IP law is revised to reflect this change, it is important for innovators to seek copyright protection in addition to patent protection for a new product.

IP owners should also consider 3D printing techniques in future patent applications. If it is foreseeable to use 3D printing to manufacture a product, it would be beneficial to have patent claims that protect a 3D printing method for the product.

[Phlier]

The more I look into it, the more complex patents get. Everyone thinks they can just find a loop hole and do what they want. This has been going on for a very very long time and there is very little you can do to get around someone's patent without serious legal counsel backing you up.

https://www.ip-watch.org/2017/07/19/...s-3d-printing/

Alternatively, patent owners could target the people facilitating the infringement. The Patent Act permits a patent holder to sue parties who induce others to infringe. For example, potential inducers of patent infringement could be the sellers of the 3D printers, someone providing CAD files of the patented product, or websites that sell or share the CAD files that instruct 3D printers to make the patented invention.

3D Printing in the Future of IP

As an industry still in its infancy, prosecuting cases of IP infringement in 3D printing is proving complex. However, digitalisation has impacted a number of other sectors. Lessons around digital file sharing – including CAD files – can be learnt from the piracy that overwhelmed the entertainment industry in the 1990s.

However, 3D printing issues stretch further than the illegal downloading of music or unofficial film and TV merchandise. With a 3D printer anyone can pirate design files and turn the files into tangible objects without owning the IP.

This may mean that in the future copyright could merge with patent rights – or at the very least overlap with it – as it has become much easier to transform between tangible and intangible forms of products and ideas. Before IP law is revised to reflect this change, it is important for innovators to seek copyright protection in addition to patent protection for a new product.

IP owners should also consider 3D printing techniques in future patent applications. If it is foreseeable to use 3D printing to manufacture a product, it would be beneficial to have patent claims that protect a 3D printing method for the product.

Well, great. I guess that means I should remove my download link.

I'm truly sorry, gents, but I just don't want to risk the legal crap.

Download link is going to be removed, and I'm sorry, but I just can't keep responding to all of the PM's requesting the files... this faucet is officially getting shutoff. Please, no more PM's. Even the ones that start out with, "I know you said you weren't going to do this anymore, but could you please..."

[r4ndy]

There are a few posts about refrigerator tubes as a replacement for the spring from the collator to the tube. Interested in any working solutions as I built a second feeder and don’t want to order another spring from DA.

[Ruebarb]

There are a few posts about refrigerator tubes as a replacement for the spring from the collator to the tube. Interested in any working solutions as I built a second feeder and don’t want to order another spring from DA.

I haven't tested this, but this looks close enough.

The 20mm OD should yeild ~ 1/2" ID

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3286...4a3b2309BtKFWd

[RedlegEd]

I haven't tested this, but this looks close enough.

The 20mm OD should yeild ~ 1/2" ID

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/3286...4a3b2309BtKFWd

Hi,
I just measured mine, and the wire diameter is 1.0mm, OD is 15mm, ID is 13mm, and length about 400mm (I'd probably go 500mm.) I think the one you referenced might be pretty stiff with a 3.5mm wire.
Ed

[Ruebarb]

Thanks for Measuring.

Well if there was a group buy, this is pretty close

1.5mm wire

https://www.tevema.com/en/webshop/tr...-500-mm/trm033

[Ruebarb]

Here is another

1.6mm wire 16mm OD should yield 12.8mm ID x 500
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Wire-Dia-1-...a46244ed03271c

[r4ndy]

Thanks for the suggestions on the spring.

[Rage 01]

Buy The 10RPM.... and use the speed controller.... Unless you have automation I don't think you will be able to outrun it

Thank you sir. I ended up getting the 30 RMP one. But I did notice that the stats on the BF one said that the torque was 1-100 kg-cm? The JGY 370 is only 7 kg-cm on load?
Is that going to work or stall out?

[Rage 01]

There are a few posts about refrigerator tubes as a replacement for the spring from the collator to the tube. Interested in any working solutions as I built a second feeder and don’t want to order another spring from DA.

I used the split wire loom tubing. Works great. I just has to redesign how it is being held at either end.
https://www.cabletiesandmore.ca/blac...hoC4SoQAvD_BwE

[Phlier]

Gents, just as a reminder...

I'm no longer supplying the OpenBulletFeeder files. Please don't PM me asking for them. Sorry, but you'll need to get them elsewhere.

Sorry for the additional post, but I'm still getting PM's asking for the files. Please... stop.

[Red_Fir_Smoke]

Sooo....
I realize no one wants to stick their neck out but is there a member here, of the legal profession that has an opinion?
Technically the patent is on the ramp? If the body was remixed without the ramp would it satisfy the patent office as to its uniqueness?
And technically everything but the ramp is in the public domain? so feeder adapters, collator plates, mounts, spring adapters could be printed, ( and more importantly; posted!)?
And further while there is talk of rejigging patent and copyright laws to complement each other, to the best of my knowledge those changes have not been enacted yet?
And since MBF has not written .STL files for their product (And indeed the ones in question are already published under a commons license so an effort to cover this avenue by MBF would be a copyright violation!) the dissemination of said files and the execution of these files in a not for profit fashion, is no more unlawful than a gunsmith fashioning an AR for his personal satisfaction?
It seems like far less of an imposition on law than an 80% receiver....
And finally has anyone considered setting up a Kickstarter specifically to defend AmmoMikes rights as an author?