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Thread: Is It "Build" Or "Assemble" An AR15?

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    its all semantics. like alluded to above the auto references. hang aorund cars long enough and you will get tired of being asked if your ride has a BUILT engine. of course its built, it wouldnt run if it was in pieces! "does that have a cam in it", well of course, the dang valves dont open and close without one!

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    I've always distinguished between a gunsmith who makes or alters parts for the guns he builds or repairs and an armorer who changes parts on guns he builds or repairs. If you want to replace the word "build" with the word "assembles" in my description, that wouldn't bother me, but I don't think that single word is that big a deal nor as big a distinction as that between gunsmith and parts changer. JMHO, YMMV!

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    Some are built most are assembled.
    Many armorers very Few gunsmiths.
    The modularity and ease of parts replacement make it easier for folks to work on than its' predecessors.

    With cars we have one guy at work that claims to have "built" his but has nearly zero mechanical aptitude so we are pretty sure he paid to have it built as opposed to the rest of those that actually built/rebuilt their own.
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    IMO if someone buys parts from different suppliers/sources and thus mixs&matchs to "create" a one-of-a-kind custom firearm then either term would be appropriate. A term such as "built from scratch", for example, could be used to differentiate between actually building as opposed to assembling parts but even then a 100% scratch built example might be extremely rare. Two Highwall type rifles I did were built using raw steel bar and as much DIY as practical, right down to even the springs and small screws were custom built (I even sawed the Walnut used for the stocks), but I still had to buy barrel blanks that were already bored and rifled plus I used a factory made rear sight on one of them and factory made brass butt plates on both. So neither rifle was 100% "scratch built" and both used at least partially pre-made parts (pre bored and rifled barrel blanks, etc) but I am comfortable saying I "built" these rifles. I suppose somewhere there may be a point of distinction between the two terms but who is to say where that might be?
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    Quote Originally Posted by waksupi View Post
    As a wood and steel gun builder, I call it assemblers. I find it offensive when someone wants to show me an AR, and telling me they "built" it.
    I agree completely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_P View Post
    Well, we do build a house. Some pieces are custom cut to length and such. Never did hear of someone 'assembling' a house. Unless that's what they do with pre-fab pieces. Built in a factory, assembled on-site.

    But, we assemble cars from the parts 'built' by others in a factory. But we build a custom car as we might just need to make a one-off piece here or there.

    So, if we have to put a file to some piece is it now a build?

    Now for the hardest of the unasked questions:

    Does it matter?

    A similar analogy could be made of internal combustion engines. Does an 'engine builder' cast the block, crankshaft, heads, etc, etc, ad nauseam?

    In my opinion, the difference between a 'builder' and an 'assembler' lies in the fitting.

    Many and more can take a pile of parts and assemble a finished piece.

    Fewer can take rough castings/forgings and 'build' a finely finished piece from the rough beginnings.

    And then we have the 'Designers' . .. .

    And yes, I think it matters.
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    At first I thought "who cares!" But I see that some do care and feel really strong about, my advice get over it!
    I've built cabins, campers engines and guns, I've also rebuilt them too not much difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by merlin101 View Post
    At first I thought "who cares!" But I see that some do care and feel really strong about, my advice get over it!
    I've built cabins, campers engines and guns, I've also rebuilt them too not much difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim_P View Post
    Well, we do build a house. Some pieces are custom cut to length and such. Never did hear of someone 'assembling' a house. Unless that's what they do with pre-fab pieces. Built in a factory, assembled on-site.
    As someone that does build things and takes pride in my craftsmanship it always cracks me up, actually I find it offensive, when people say they're building a house when what the really mean is they're having someone build a house for them. Same with ARs, same with ARF radio controlled airplanes. (ARF= Almost Ready to Fly; already built and covered, final assembly is required.)

    When I build my main hunting rifle I chucked a piece of bar stock in the lathe and made a mandrel for the Mauser action. Put the action on it and trued it up. Drilled and tapped for scope mounts. Fitted and chambered the barrel. Glass and pillar bedded the action. Did extensive mods to the Mauser trigger guard in a milling machine. Welded on the floor plate, filed and polished it. Fitted a new trigger and safety. Forged the bolt handle and re-polished it. Polished and hot blued the whole thing. I do believe that's building.
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    I think that's just from the "tactical" fraternity trying to make something out to be more than it is. Or maybe it is a generational thing. I'm still chuckling over how many wannabe's get tactical by "running" equipment; I generally "use" things like scopes, binoculars...
    Hey, what kind of EDC (tacticool speak for the pocketknife that you put in your front pocket) are you "running?" I am running an Old Timer jackknife.
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    I don't say I Built A Mauser Rifle.
    In most cases, I say, I Built this rifle on a Mauser Action.
    I will take credit for what I Built, but unless I built the action, how can that figure into my skills.
    But To me, Putting a new Barrel on a Mauser action that was a screw on replacement, and slapping it into a plastic stock, is just assembling.
    It is the fitting of the part and related parts to make it as accurate as it can be, ( Like Bedding, Building the stock from a blank and Fitting the sights to a blank barrel ), That is the Build.
    But if the Mauser action is Rebuilt like Truing the action, lapping the lugs and drilling it for scope mounts, then I add the words in, I built this on a Rebuilt Mauser action.
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    I just built a great cup of coffee this morning; running whole milk since my creamer ran out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inthealders View Post
    I just built a great cup of coffee this morning; running whole milk since my creamer ran out.
    you must have stayed at a holiday inn!!! LOL

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    I guess I am old fashioned I build on an action, make or fit a stock. only build on an AR action if I turn thread, chamber and install barrel hood and headspace barrel. the rest is assembling parts.

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